Quick list of LGBT/disability crossovers in TV shows? Remember your spoiler warnings, unless it's obvious that the characters are both queer and disabled right from the start
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Oh, wow Butterfly Kiss was terrible. It had truly magnificent number of lesbian and disability cliches, though the poor actors occasionally broke through to make a real connection, at least!
Yes, Dana died of cancer in The L Word. After coming out, which was a long story.
I had mixed feelings about that series but I was moved by the scene in which her girlfriend Alice bought her a silly toy - a flower that sang 'You are my sunshine' - in the hospital shop, then went to her ward to give her the toy and found that she had died. The flower started singing as Alice slumped to the floor in tears. Then there was the scene at Dana's funeral, when her family made speeches about how sad that she never found the right man, and Alice leapt up in the chapel and shouted 'What are you talking about? Dana was gay!' before stealing her ashes and scattering them in the presence of Dana's lesbian friends.
Now this is *really* spoilers! I hope it's acceptable. Perhaps the idea is that a person doesn't have to open the comments to this thread if they don't want to risk seeing spoilers.
This is where you put "SPOILER WARNING" when it applieselettariaDecember 10 2010, 19:25:16 UTC
I am getting the feeling that we have managed to get you completely confused about how spoilers work! You did the spoilers for the previous post just right, but this isn't quite how they're done for comments.
You're right in that this was an appropriate comment to put them in, but but they need to be signposted so people can avoid the specific comment rather than having to stay away from the entire post.
It helps to put "SPOILER WARNING" in the comment subject, and then in the text as well. For example something like:
"And then Dana - hang on, spoilers ahoy
SPOILER FOR SEASON 1 OF THE L-WORD
dies of cancer after coming out."
The extra spaces between the lines are important, as it allows people to register that there's a spoiler warning, and see what it's for, before they have automatically read the lines undernearth.
Re: This is where you put "SPOILER WARNING" when it appliessammasonDecember 10 2010, 20:25:43 UTC
Yes it does, thanks.
I see that not everybody uses that formula so I wonder if you'd consider having some kind of 'welcome message' that you'd send new joiners to the comm before letting us post. As well as what you've just told me, you could clarify what exactly counts as a spoiler. If something's been broadcast, published or released? If something's been mentioned in a broadcast/published trailer an advertising poster?
I've never owned an LJ comm but there's one I joined recently in which my first few posts got an automatic response saying something like 'You're in a moderation queue,' and I had a short wait before each post was approved and then it would appear on the comm. After a few days the Mod decided that I could be trusted to comply with her preferences so now my posts to that comm appear without delay.
Thanks for the input - I don't think this is a big problem as most people on LJ know the usual format for spoilers, but I'll certainly consider your suggestion if this starts to get more common. I'm not notified when someone joins so welcome messages would be rather difficult to set up, not to mention time-consuming, but it's normal to expect people to read the community rules when joining a community.
"you could clarify what exactly counts as a spoiler."
That's all in the user info which comes up when you view the community's profile. Yes, if something has already been broadcast, published or released you should assume that someone out there hasn't read/seen it yet, even if it's something as well-known as The Lord of the Rings. You don't need to worry about something which is made clear from the beginning, for instance if a character is in a wheelchair from the start or revealed as gay as soon as it becomes relevant, or something like that, and it shouldn't really be news to anyone who's actually picked up the book or looked at
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I think on the whole disabled people having any kind of sexuality in film/TV is rare so finding crips with an alt sexuality is even rarer.
Re: Gay men with AIDS in film: Jeffrey is quite good.
Also in film you've got the (dreadful) British road movie Butterfly Kiss which is about the relationship between 2 disabled women.
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I had mixed feelings about that series but I was moved by the scene in which her girlfriend Alice bought her a silly toy - a flower that sang 'You are my sunshine' - in the hospital shop, then went to her ward to give her the toy and found that she had died. The flower started singing as Alice slumped to the floor in tears. Then there was the scene at Dana's funeral, when her family made speeches about how sad that she never found the right man, and Alice leapt up in the chapel and shouted 'What are you talking about? Dana was gay!' before stealing her ashes and scattering them in the presence of Dana's lesbian friends.
Now this is *really* spoilers! I hope it's acceptable. Perhaps the idea is that a person doesn't have to open the comments to this thread if they don't want to risk seeing spoilers.
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You're right in that this was an appropriate comment to put them in, but but they need to be signposted so people can avoid the specific comment rather than having to stay away from the entire post.
It helps to put "SPOILER WARNING" in the comment subject, and then in the text as well. For example something like:
"And then Dana - hang on, spoilers ahoy
SPOILER FOR SEASON 1 OF THE L-WORD
dies of cancer after coming out."
The extra spaces between the lines are important, as it allows people to register that there's a spoiler warning, and see what it's for, before they have automatically read the lines undernearth.
Does that make sense?
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I see that not everybody uses that formula so I wonder if you'd consider having some kind of 'welcome message' that you'd send new joiners to the comm before letting us post. As well as what you've just told me, you could clarify what exactly counts as a spoiler. If something's been broadcast, published or released? If something's been mentioned in a broadcast/published trailer an advertising poster?
I've never owned an LJ comm but there's one I joined recently in which my first few posts got an automatic response saying something like 'You're in a moderation queue,' and I had a short wait before each post was approved and then it would appear on the comm. After a few days the Mod decided that I could be trusted to comply with her preferences so now my posts to that comm appear without delay.
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"you could clarify what exactly counts as a spoiler."
That's all in the user info which comes up when you view the community's profile. Yes, if something has already been broadcast, published or released you should assume that someone out there hasn't read/seen it yet, even if it's something as well-known as The Lord of the Rings. You don't need to worry about something which is made clear from the beginning, for instance if a character is in a wheelchair from the start or revealed as gay as soon as it becomes relevant, or something like that, and it shouldn't really be news to anyone who's actually picked up the book or looked at ( ... )
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