Good post, i agree completely. Usually i won't read something if its more than like 5 sentences long (unless i see my name) and i totally kept reading that cause it was sweet.
This will get me flamed, but...seanmcolDecember 22 2005, 17:48:58 UTC
Seriously, Christmas is not under attack. You don't need to hear 'Merry Christmas!' proclamed from store sign after store sign or see Nativity scenes on government property for the season to be meaningful. In fact, I don't see why any serious Christian would give a flaming fuck or feel that their religion is belittled when stores or government institutions decide to recognize that a large portion of their constituency or buying base isn't Christian and doesn't celebrate Christmas. There are a lot of holidays around this time of year, so 'Happy Holidays' is actually a very reasonable proclamation. No Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist, or Agnostic is dictating anything you or your family do, people are just recognizing that those people exist too. Personally, I'm surprised that you would so fervently fall behind a phony scandal being pushed by clowns like James Dobson and William Donahue. Anyway, I'll be in Toledo for the next few days, so I assume you'll have something to say by the time I get back, so until then, Merry Christmas (I'd
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Re: This will not get you flamed because I have a calm, rational demeanor and do not need return a fseanmcolDecember 30 2005, 06:13:10 UTC
I actually read this Monday, but haven't gotten around to unassing myself and responding until now, so here goes.
First, to clear something up, I wasn't saying that I expected you to flame me. It was just a general statement on how contentious and politicized everything about Christmas has become. Second, I get the impression from your response that you're more focused on the sub-issue of "Christmas trees" vs. the emergence of "Holiday trees". Your original post seemed to be one about the larger Christmas debate (given how you said "I can't use the "C" word anymore, lest I offend you" and the various strawmen arguments about how non-religious people shouldn't "tear down" Christmas traditions), which mainly focuses on how prevalent Christmas should be in the public sphere, especially when it comes to the phrases "Happy Holidays" vs. "Merry Christmas". That's why the comment I left was more about the general debates
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First, to clear something up, I wasn't saying that I expected you to flame me. It was just a general statement on how contentious and politicized everything about Christmas has become. Second, I get the impression from your response that you're more focused on the sub-issue of "Christmas trees" vs. the emergence of "Holiday trees". Your original post seemed to be one about the larger Christmas debate (given how you said "I can't use the "C" word anymore, lest I offend you" and the various strawmen arguments about how non-religious people shouldn't "tear down" Christmas traditions), which mainly focuses on how prevalent Christmas should be in the public sphere, especially when it comes to the phrases "Happy Holidays" vs. "Merry Christmas". That's why the comment I left was more about the general debates ( ... )
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