Bad Propoganda
I generally dislike propaganda. But if you're going to create propaganda, at least make it good propaganda. Behind the cut is an email my grandmother sent me. The fact that there are people who actually believe this kind of thing saddens me.
Subject: Fw: What Senator John Glenn Said---
A repeat but worth reading again.
Definitely worth sending along.
WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID:
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January.That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.
When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, consider the following:
--- this is what I take as the point of the propaganda. Iraq is good, trust the president. yada yada yada
a. FDR led us into World War II.
b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
>From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 112,500 per year.
---- How does this have anything to do with whether we should be in Iraq? Iraq didn't attack us. Is the propogandist arguing that we shouldn't have been in World War II? Or that because more people died in WWII, Iraq is ok?
c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
North Korea never attacked us
>From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 18,334 per year.
-----Again, Iraq didn't attack us either. You can claim they were dangerous, they could attack us, but as far as I know there was never any substantiated connection between Saddam and Al Queda like there was with the Taliban.
d. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam "conflict" in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.
----See a and b
e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
>From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost .
an average of 5,800 per year.
--- Because Vietnam is bad that means Iraq is good? Failing one class doesn't make the D- you got in another class a good grade, or a good idea to keep going.
f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.
----- I thought we were talking about Iraq, not Osama
g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North
Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
---- unsupported arguments put forth as fact (the nuclear inspectors I am unaware of). And I'm not sure of who the terrorist is.
The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking.
But
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno
to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation.
---- The war's over? Really? i thought wars ended when we no longer had troops in the foreign lands. Even if you consider the war "over," it completely ignores the fact that this is an ongoing problem where servicemen die consistently.
We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.
--- actually we've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq since like the early 1990s
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his
Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!!
Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
The Military morale is high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant
to realize the facts
But Wait there's more!
JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)
Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13
--- Ok, this implies the following happened 1/26/04 on the senate floor
Some people still don't understand why military personnel
do what they do for a living. This exchange between
Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum
is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive
impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one
man's explanation of why men and women in the armed
services do what they do for a living
This IS a typical, though sad, example of what
some who have never served think of the military.
Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
"How can you run for Senate
when you've never held a real job?"
--- Really? One Senator said to another Senator on the Senate floor that the Senator who had only worked in the Military had never had a real job? This is where I really had the problem. First, I didn't even know when John Glenn ran for senate the first time but I'm pretty damn sure it was before 2004. And it's even more unlikely that someone would say that to someone who had already served a term in the senate. It just wouldn't make sense.
Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
"I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different
occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my
checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was
not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the
daily cash receipts to the bank."
"I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day...
to a veteran's hospital and look those men ..
with their mangled bodies in the eye, and tell THEM
they didn't hold a job!
You go with me to the Space Program at NASA
and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans
of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
that their DADS didn't hold a job.
You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in
Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends
buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch
those waving flags
You stand there, and you think about this nation,
and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?
What about you?"
---- in a cursory internet search, this is what I found
This exchange did take place but not on the floor of the Senate, but the wording of Glenn's words if fairly accurate. It was during the campaign debate in 1974 when Metzenbaum was running for reelection and Glenn was challenging him. Glenn and Metzenbaum had also run against each other for the same seat four years earlier, a race that Metzenbaum had won. A few days prior to the debate, Metzenbaum made a widely publicized statement that said that Glenn had never met a payroll (he didn't actually say that he'd never held a real job). In other words, Glenn had been a military man not a businessman, like Metzenbaum, who had created a major newspaper and a nation-wide parking company. Metzenbaum did not repeat that charge during the debate, but Glenn came prepared to respond to it and did it so powerfully that he also went on to win the election.
---- Ok, so this still wasn't a good statement, but it implies completely different things than "never had a real job" regardless of the factual inaccuracies included in the propaganda's representation of the statement. Really obvious inaccuracies.
For those who don't remember
During WWII, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney
representing the Communist Party in the USA. Now he's a Senator!
--- Well, this is just another attack on free speech. Even if he did represent the Communist Party, how is that a bad thing? Don't we value free speech, independent thinking and standing up for what you believe in?
If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.
It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating.
--- le sigh...
Subject: Fw: What Senator John Glenn Said---
A repeat but worth reading again.
Definitely worth sending along.
WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID:
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January.That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.
When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, consider the following:
--- this is what I take as the point of the propaganda. Iraq is good, trust the president. yada yada yada
a. FDR led us into World War II.
b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
>From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 112,500 per year.
---- How does this have anything to do with whether we should be in Iraq? Iraq didn't attack us. Is the propogandist arguing that we shouldn't have been in World War II? Or that because more people died in WWII, Iraq is ok?
c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
North Korea never attacked us
>From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 18,334 per year.
-----Again, Iraq didn't attack us either. You can claim they were dangerous, they could attack us, but as far as I know there was never any substantiated connection between Saddam and Al Queda like there was with the Taliban.
d. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam "conflict" in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.
----See a and b
e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
>From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost .
an average of 5,800 per year.
--- Because Vietnam is bad that means Iraq is good? Failing one class doesn't make the D- you got in another class a good grade, or a good idea to keep going.
f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.
----- I thought we were talking about Iraq, not Osama
g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North
Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
---- unsupported arguments put forth as fact (the nuclear inspectors I am unaware of). And I'm not sure of who the terrorist is.
The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking.
But
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno
to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation.
---- The war's over? Really? i thought wars ended when we no longer had troops in the foreign lands. Even if you consider the war "over," it completely ignores the fact that this is an ongoing problem where servicemen die consistently.
We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.
--- actually we've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq since like the early 1990s
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his
Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!!
Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
The Military morale is high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant
to realize the facts
But Wait there's more!
JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)
Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13
--- Ok, this implies the following happened 1/26/04 on the senate floor
Some people still don't understand why military personnel
do what they do for a living. This exchange between
Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum
is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive
impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one
man's explanation of why men and women in the armed
services do what they do for a living
This IS a typical, though sad, example of what
some who have never served think of the military.
Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
"How can you run for Senate
when you've never held a real job?"
--- Really? One Senator said to another Senator on the Senate floor that the Senator who had only worked in the Military had never had a real job? This is where I really had the problem. First, I didn't even know when John Glenn ran for senate the first time but I'm pretty damn sure it was before 2004. And it's even more unlikely that someone would say that to someone who had already served a term in the senate. It just wouldn't make sense.
Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
"I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different
occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my
checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was
not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the
daily cash receipts to the bank."
"I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day...
to a veteran's hospital and look those men ..
with their mangled bodies in the eye, and tell THEM
they didn't hold a job!
You go with me to the Space Program at NASA
and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans
of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
that their DADS didn't hold a job.
You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in
Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends
buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch
those waving flags
You stand there, and you think about this nation,
and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?
What about you?"
---- in a cursory internet search, this is what I found
This exchange did take place but not on the floor of the Senate, but the wording of Glenn's words if fairly accurate. It was during the campaign debate in 1974 when Metzenbaum was running for reelection and Glenn was challenging him. Glenn and Metzenbaum had also run against each other for the same seat four years earlier, a race that Metzenbaum had won. A few days prior to the debate, Metzenbaum made a widely publicized statement that said that Glenn had never met a payroll (he didn't actually say that he'd never held a real job). In other words, Glenn had been a military man not a businessman, like Metzenbaum, who had created a major newspaper and a nation-wide parking company. Metzenbaum did not repeat that charge during the debate, but Glenn came prepared to respond to it and did it so powerfully that he also went on to win the election.
---- Ok, so this still wasn't a good statement, but it implies completely different things than "never had a real job" regardless of the factual inaccuracies included in the propaganda's representation of the statement. Really obvious inaccuracies.
For those who don't remember
During WWII, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney
representing the Communist Party in the USA. Now he's a Senator!
--- Well, this is just another attack on free speech. Even if he did represent the Communist Party, how is that a bad thing? Don't we value free speech, independent thinking and standing up for what you believe in?
If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.
It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating.
--- le sigh...