Oliver's acknowledgement of his "blind spot" when it comes to Laurel ironically counterpoints his refusal to distrust his mother in Season 1. In both cases, he's wrong; just in opposite directions.
Oooh. Poor Oliver. He thinks he has learned his lesson through the pain of his experience except he's bested by the narrative.
I don't think Oliver called the cops re. Laurel's drug abuse though? I though Blood sicc'd the cops on her via Daily as a way of dealing with her.
Sarah betrayed Laurel with Oliver because she thinks Laurel betrayed her with Oliver first. (This has to be the least convincing and most anticlimactic follow-up in the entire history of the line "She's not what you think!" But I can see why Sarah felt burned.)That was kinda weird, but I actually liked learning that Laurel was not so saintly back then (having her on a pedestal did terrible things to her character throughout S1). I mean, they were teenagers and had resentment and jealousy issues, big whoop. I guess in retrospect, Sara coming
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I was going to wait to talk about episodes until I did my big "Why I like Arrow" post, but then I might be waiting forever. Episodic brain-dump it is!
Oooh. Poor Oliver. He thinks he has learned his lesson through the pain of his experience except he's bested by the narrative.
Well, he has learned some lessons. He's talking to Diggle and Felicity about both his feelings and his decisions. And we can see how much he's changed by measuring him against Roy, who won't accept Thea's support and only half-accepts Sin's. Though the fact that he seeks out Sin is one of the big differences from how he deals with the mirakuru and how Slade does. When Slade chokes Oliver, Sara has to hit him to talk him down, and he leaves his companions the first chance he gets. When Roy smacks Sin back, he immediately goes to see if she's okay, and that's what breaks him out of it. Even if he does walk out on Thea and Sin immediately after
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I was going to wait to talk about episodes until I did my big "Why I like Arrow" post, but then I might be waiting forever.
*big eyes* I still very much wanna read this, by the way. If you feel like writing it, that is!
Earlier today, I went and reread my one and only Arrow post from S1... because of reasons, and totally cracked up at myself for being all dismissive of the show (although I was already shipping Oliver/Felicity back then, quelle surprise). Who would have known I was gonna become all emotionally invested and suchlike?
The fact that Roy is more willing to accept help people, the more butch they are, is not impressing me. But it's a good character note.
Seriously, Roy Harper is a fantastic role for a young up-and-coming actor. If only they hadn't cast the blandest Abercrombie and Fitch model in existence for the role (fer serious, Colton Haynes used to be an actual trufax Abercrombie and Fitch model.)
I think I could like her on the show, if the writers would abandon the idea of her Destined Love with Oliver. *nods
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*big eyes* I still very much wanna read this, by the way. If you feel like writing it, that is!
It will be so boring for you! I don't have anything to say you haven't already covered. But I will try, just in hopes of getting more people to watch show and talk about it with me.
I love your S1 Arrow post. (Well, okay, I love all your Arrow posts.)
(fer serious, Colton Haynes used to be an actual trufax Abercrombie and Fitch model.)
I did not know that! Those lines make much more sense now. I mean, sure, he looks like an Abercrombie & Fitch model, but it's not a helpful description to offer someone at a vintage clothing store.
*nods* I'm on the same boat. Ditto on how bitter and jaded Laurel would be more in KC's wheelhouse. For the first few eps of S2, I actually thought they were going to keep Laurel as an antagonist to Arrow this season and thought that might be interesting, although her motivations (the whole blaming Arrow for Tommy's death part) were rubbish.I'm starting to get a sense of what the show wants to do with
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But I will try, just in hopes of getting more people to watch show and talk about it with me.
Yes, yes! I have all this new fannishness and no outlet (*makes a sadface at not being able to write fic or vid*) and I feel like this show could be fannish catnip if only people gave it a chance, you know? I wish the fandom was bigger and more people I know and like are putting out thinky thoughts about it. Instead, I have to resign myself to trolling AV Club comment section (... I know) and moping around Tumblr looking at GIFs when what I really want is *discussion*.
Have I mentioned how glad I am that you started watching this show? SO GLAD.
They want to do an origin story for that has the same slow build-up they're giving Oliver, where there's a drastic difference between pre-crisis Laurel and post-crisis LaurelI never thought I'd say this, but I'm beginning to think that its flashback structure is a huge boon to this show. I KNOW. I've whined so much about it! But yeah, it IS important to see that gradual transformation, and the
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I never thought I'd say this, but I'm beginning to think that its flashback structure is a huge boon to this show. I KNOW. I've whined so much about it!
It starts working much better at the end of S1, though. And it's working really well in S2. It helps that the flashbacks now have plot relevance as well as emotional relevance, and that we're getting flashbacks from multiple POVs. I mean, sure, it's mostly Oliver, but we also get Sara and Slade, and that episode with the flashbacks to just before the voyage, which is probably still my favorite. I'm looking forward to getting a Slade-focused flashback which differs radically from Oliver's POV; I'm hoping they do the breakup/Slade finding out about Oliver's "betrayal" from Slade's POV.
One of the heartbreaking things about the flashback structure: you know that Sara breaks free of Ivo only to end up in an even more abusive situation with the League of Assassins. Oh, Sara. :( (Another thing about the break with Ivo -- it's over his murder of another woman, which is another link to
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Oliver's acknowledgement of his "blind spot" when it comes to Laurel ironically counterpoints his refusal to distrust his mother in Season 1. In both cases, he's wrong; just in opposite directions.
Oooh. Poor Oliver. He thinks he has learned his lesson through the pain of his experience except he's bested by the narrative.
I don't think Oliver called the cops re. Laurel's drug abuse though? I though Blood sicc'd the cops on her via Daily as a way of dealing with her.
Sarah betrayed Laurel with Oliver because she thinks Laurel betrayed her with Oliver first. (This has to be the least convincing and most anticlimactic follow-up in the entire history of the line "She's not what you think!" But I can see why Sarah felt burned.)That was kinda weird, but I actually liked learning that Laurel was not so saintly back then (having her on a pedestal did terrible things to her character throughout S1). I mean, they were teenagers and had resentment and jealousy issues, big whoop. I guess in retrospect, Sara coming ( ... )
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Oooh. Poor Oliver. He thinks he has learned his lesson through the pain of his experience except he's bested by the narrative.
Well, he has learned some lessons. He's talking to Diggle and Felicity about both his feelings and his decisions. And we can see how much he's changed by measuring him against Roy, who won't accept Thea's support and only half-accepts Sin's. Though the fact that he seeks out Sin is one of the big differences from how he deals with the mirakuru and how Slade does. When Slade chokes Oliver, Sara has to hit him to talk him down, and he leaves his companions the first chance he gets. When Roy smacks Sin back, he immediately goes to see if she's okay, and that's what breaks him out of it. Even if he does walk out on Thea and Sin immediately after ( ... )
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*big eyes* I still very much wanna read this, by the way. If you feel like writing it, that is!
Earlier today, I went and reread my one and only Arrow post from S1... because of reasons, and totally cracked up at myself for being all dismissive of the show (although I was already shipping Oliver/Felicity back then, quelle surprise). Who would have known I was gonna become all emotionally invested and suchlike?
The fact that Roy is more willing to accept help people, the more butch they are, is not impressing me. But it's a good character note.
Seriously, Roy Harper is a fantastic role for a young up-and-coming actor. If only they hadn't cast the blandest Abercrombie and Fitch model in existence for the role (fer serious, Colton Haynes used to be an actual trufax Abercrombie and Fitch model.)
I think I could like her on the show, if the writers would abandon the idea of her Destined Love with Oliver. *nods ( ... )
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It will be so boring for you! I don't have anything to say you haven't already covered. But I will try, just in hopes of getting more people to watch show and talk about it with me.
I love your S1 Arrow post. (Well, okay, I love all your Arrow posts.)
(fer serious, Colton Haynes used to be an actual trufax Abercrombie and Fitch model.)
I did not know that! Those lines make much more sense now. I mean, sure, he looks like an Abercrombie & Fitch model, but it's not a helpful description to offer someone at a vintage clothing store.
*nods* I'm on the same boat. Ditto on how bitter and jaded Laurel would be more in KC's wheelhouse. For the first few eps of S2, I actually thought they were going to keep Laurel as an antagonist to Arrow this season and thought that might be interesting, although her motivations (the whole blaming Arrow for Tommy's death part) were rubbish.I'm starting to get a sense of what the show wants to do with ( ... )
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Yes, yes! I have all this new fannishness and no outlet (*makes a sadface at not being able to write fic or vid*) and I feel like this show could be fannish catnip if only people gave it a chance, you know? I wish the fandom was bigger and more people I know and like are putting out thinky thoughts about it. Instead, I have to resign myself to trolling AV Club comment section (... I know) and moping around Tumblr looking at GIFs when what I really want is *discussion*.
Have I mentioned how glad I am that you started watching this show? SO GLAD.
They want to do an origin story for that has the same slow build-up they're giving Oliver, where there's a drastic difference between pre-crisis Laurel and post-crisis LaurelI never thought I'd say this, but I'm beginning to think that its flashback structure is a huge boon to this show. I KNOW. I've whined so much about it! But yeah, it IS important to see that gradual transformation, and the ( ... )
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It starts working much better at the end of S1, though. And it's working really well in S2. It helps that the flashbacks now have plot relevance as well as emotional relevance, and that we're getting flashbacks from multiple POVs. I mean, sure, it's mostly Oliver, but we also get Sara and Slade, and that episode with the flashbacks to just before the voyage, which is probably still my favorite. I'm looking forward to getting a Slade-focused flashback which differs radically from Oliver's POV; I'm hoping they do the breakup/Slade finding out about Oliver's "betrayal" from Slade's POV.
One of the heartbreaking things about the flashback structure: you know that Sara breaks free of Ivo only to end up in an even more abusive situation with the League of Assassins. Oh, Sara. :( (Another thing about the break with Ivo -- it's over his murder of another woman, which is another link to ( ... )
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