Journey's End
I made it home from Edinburgh yesterday. After getting up at 3:30 am BST, I finally made it to Detroit at 12:30 pm EDT. Unfortunately, my luggage didn't arrive with me. I got a call at 7:30 this morning that 1 of my 2 bags has made it - the other, who knows: Edinburgh, Amsterdam, Timbuktu? *sigh
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--The Doctor loved Rose, but as he pointed out, he loved her when he was hurt and angry and *needed* to love her. It's possible that now that she's been gone for a while, he doesn't really need her the same way (decent of him not to say so). Rose really couldn't be a permanent small-c companion for the Doctor, being mortal and all, but she and the humanish Doctor are much more on a level ( ... )
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I think this is a good point. Last night after talking with you, Clair, for a bit, I was thinking on the way home about Riversong, and how the aloneness he's experiencing/expressing at the end of the episode might just make him seek out River Song, the one connection he knows is in his future. And he did start to love her at the end of that episode, I think, so that would help with the easing of his love for Rose, whereas the Human Doctor knows that River Song is in the Time Lord Doctor's future, not his. He won't have that love in the future, and he knows that, too.
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I do have to say that I felt very sad for him at the end, too. There wasn't even the usual cliffhanger for the Christmas special to distract him from his solitude. (Although I found the cliffhanger somewhat jarring and out of place at the end of "Doomsday", I don't think it would have been so here. However, perhaps it's dramatically better to leave the Doctor like that because it again emphasizes his great lonliness, which seemed to be the point.)
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I get the feeling that as long as he doesn't know he's screwing up the timeline, he's not screwing up the timeline.
But on thinking on it further, didn't River Song say something about how he was so much younger than she'd ever seen him before? That means he waits a while, I suppose. But the good news is, it means he gets to be the Doctor for quite a while, too!
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Yes, she did say that; however it's not something she was able to tell before studying his face closely, perhaps looking into his eyes. That suggests he doesn't superficially look much older when she meets him, but other episodes have suggested that the Doctor doesn't age very quickly, so he might be much older and superficially look the same. Also, the Doctor can travel around for any length of time between series. Who knows how long he'd been on his own before he met up with Donna, for example? So, they could do a storyline with River Song right away while time has passed for the Doctor off-screen...which means that David Tennant won't necessarily continue to play the Doctor for that much longer. (Though, I hope he does! :) )
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I think it was pretty obvious that Donna's mom was horrid to her. The Doctor doesn't always pick up on that kind of thing, but it's not impossible that Donna might have mentioned it at some point.
Yeah, I think that was the point with Donna: Any of us could be the most important person in the universe, and we just have to find a way to live up to that. But watching her rudely blow off the Doctor for a loud and shallow phone conversation didn't give me a lot of hope for her. (Although it did cement that he's not Donna's type.)
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Exactly. I just listened to some of the comments of the people involved in this production from Doctor Who Confidential regarding the scene on the beach between the 2 Doctors and Rose. It made me feel a bit better about my reaction to the other Doctor:
David Tennant: "There’s part of her that feels very comfortable and very attracted to this new Doctor because he is the same guy. But, clearly he’s not. And, clearly she’s saying ‘goodbye’ to this other man that she’s been in love with….For the Doctor himself, there’s just another heartbreak and another tragedy and he’s back on Bad Wolf Bay where he last experienced this. You know, he’s saying ‘goodbye’ again and he’s bidding farewell again and this time it’s closing forever and there’s no going back. And, in gifting her this other Doctor, he’s not really allowing himself to go back either ( ... )
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I know what you mean. I think a lot of his has to do with the fact that, with nine and ten, there is only one bodie. But with ten and double!ten there are two, so it feels more like identical twins, that while they look the same have differents pasts, feelings, emotions, ect, and therefore like two different people. But that just may be the way I see it.
I know that a lot of people felt that it was truly a horrible thing to have happened to her, but is it horrible if she doesn't know what she's missed? Unlike some of the other companions (Sarah Jane & Rose come to ( ... )
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Yes, that's a good point. The real Time Lord Doctor is still there...on the other hand, the copy does have his emotions, memories, and past. He should be an exact replica, but he doesn't seem to be...because he's part human? Should that matter?
As an aside, I think the (real) Doctor does tell Rose that he needs her in a roundabout sort of way. He says something to the effect of "He needs you. That's very me."
--Donna can't, and she may never finally realize her full potential again.--
That's really the part about it that's most sad - that she may never realize her full potential.
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