The previous post gives a link to an online discussion about 'Women Submitting' at GodlyGals. The prevalent views at that forum were that women should submit to their husbands. I don't agree
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Re: Here we go. part II - is identical nature inequality?hisprophetJuly 31 2006, 17:54:45 UTC
God created the woman as a "helper" for the man:
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." (Genesis 2:18)
However, being a "helper" does not imply that the woman was inferior or subservient to the man; the same Hebrew word, `ezer, translated as "helper," is used to describe God, Himself, in Psalms 33:20, 70:5, 115:9-11. In fact, God created both men and women in His own image and made them equal custodians of all His creation:
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground." (Genesis 2:27-28)
When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them "man." (Genesis 5:1-2)
Ephesians 5:21-30 is important. Men are told to love their wives as themselves. Women are told to be subject to their husbands. Can you imagine this exchange? Without both, this becomes a broken thing. To treat his wife less than he treats his own self is to violate the Lord's command, and for the wife to refuse humility and wish to 'lord it over' her husband is also against the design. The wife has no less important or exalted position than the husband, but hers is not as head of the home. This is not a catch-all idea for every woman and every man, but for husband and wife, and women and men in the church.
Re: Here we go. part II - is identical nature inequality?adr0ckJuly 31 2006, 18:05:14 UTC
Men are told to love their wives as themselves. Women are told to be subject to their husbands. Can you imagine this exchange? Without both, this becomes a broken thing. To treat his wife less than he treats his own self is to violate the Lord's command, and for the wife to refuse humility and wish to 'lord it over' her husband is also against the design.
The wife has no less important or exalted position than the husband, but hers is not as head of the home.
This is not a catch-all idea for every woman and every man, but for husband and wife, and women and men in the church.
YES! it is out of balance if either party is not doing what they are supposed to.
one thing i would add though -- neither party has to *wait* for the other to do their part, for the 1st part to begin doing theirs.
to be more specific, i, as the wife, do not have to wait for my husband to begin loving me correctly, for me to begin submitting. the verses don't say "submit as long as your husband is loving" nor do they say "love your wife as long as she is respectful" the commands are given separately and WITHOUT CONDITION.
my belief, and my EXPERIENCE is that when one gets in line, and turns their face to god, it is honored and god begins to change the heart of the other spouse so that they are both in line.
Re: Here we go. part II - is identical nature inequality?hisprophetJuly 31 2006, 18:15:15 UTC
yes! Exactly. You know how good it feels to a man to hear "honey, you decide. I trust you." You know how good it feels for a woman to hear "I'm hungry - are you hungry?" IT's just.. as much as I wanted to stomp my feet upon first hearing about this kind of thing from the Lord, it's TRUE and it WORKS. My husband would not be less than me for opening the door for me. I would be no less than him to go through that door.
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." (Genesis 2:18)
However, being a "helper" does not imply that the woman was inferior or subservient to the man; the same Hebrew word, `ezer, translated as "helper," is used to describe God, Himself, in Psalms 33:20, 70:5, 115:9-11. In fact, God created both men and women in His own image and made them equal custodians of all His creation:
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground." (Genesis 2:27-28)
When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them "man." (Genesis 5:1-2)
Ephesians 5:21-30 is important. Men are told to love their wives as themselves. Women are told to be subject to their husbands. Can you imagine this exchange? Without both, this becomes a broken thing. To treat his wife less than he treats his own self is to violate the Lord's command, and for the wife to refuse humility and wish to 'lord it over' her husband is also against the design.
The wife has no less important or exalted position than the husband, but hers is not as head of the home.
This is not a catch-all idea for every woman and every man, but for husband and wife, and women and men in the church.
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The wife has no less important or exalted position than the husband, but hers is not as head of the home.
This is not a catch-all idea for every woman and every man, but for husband and wife, and women and men in the church.
YES! it is out of balance if either party is not doing what they are supposed to.
one thing i would add though -- neither party has to *wait* for the other to do their part, for the 1st part to begin doing theirs.
to be more specific, i, as the wife, do not have to wait for my husband to begin loving me correctly, for me to begin submitting. the verses don't say "submit as long as your husband is loving" nor do they say "love your wife as long as she is respectful" the commands are given separately and WITHOUT CONDITION.
my belief, and my EXPERIENCE is that when one gets in line, and turns their face to god, it is honored and god begins to change the heart of the other spouse so that they are both in line.
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You know how good it feels to a man to hear "honey, you decide. I trust you."
You know how good it feels for a woman to hear "I'm hungry - are you hungry?"
IT's just.. as much as I wanted to stomp my feet upon first hearing about this kind of thing from the Lord, it's TRUE and it WORKS.
My husband would not be less than me for opening the door for me. I would be no less than him to go through that door.
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yep yep!
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