Wow. Regina really is twisted. It's amazing how easily she turned on Snow White. But I guess I can see it considering how evil, abusive and controlling her mother was. Of course, she obviously gets revenge on her mother at some point, because she gains her power and magic.
When did Gold mention framing MM? I know he suggested planting the key. I agree with what you said about him doing all this to bring Regina down, though. How do we know he had Kathryn? I know it seems to point to that, but how do we know?
They really did do an amazing job making up Lana as Young!Regina! And the actress who played Young!Snow. Is she related? There were so many times I saw the same facial features on her as I do on the older actress!
There is no way that's Kathryn's heart in the box, since she's alive!
Who is Charming's evil non-dad?
I knew Sydney had planted a bug in those flowers! However, I still didn't realize it was because of him Regina knew Emma's plans. Sheesh
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And with such an evil, controlling mother I can understand why she didn't feel that she could focus her blame on her mother. That was too scary! Much easier to blame the child. And I'm sure having to spend years seeing Snow get everything she ever wanted while Regina had nothing she wanted didn't help.
He talked to Regina about framing her in the flashback at the beginning of the episode but I figured he was involved somehow back when they found the heart. As for Kathryn - we don't know he had her but she's found immediately after he talks about doing some magic to get Mary Margaret off the hook. Also I greatly doubt he ever intended MM to get convicted so - as the whole plot was his plan all along - he must have had Kathryn from the beginning. Or at least knew exactly where she was.
Young!Snow is no relation to Ginnifer which makes it even more amazing how well they did in casting.
There is no way that's Kathryn's heart in the box, since she's alive!But this is a show where people's hearts are removed and they still walk around
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Agree with everything you said about Regina. Is it justified to blame Snow? No. Is it understandable? Oh yes! She's been living with an abussive mother and passive father all of her life, she's grieving the loss of her OTL and she is being forced to marry a man who she doesn't know or love and who most likely only wants her so she can breed a male heir for him. Not exactly a situation I would like to be in. And then to find out that it all (minus the parental situation obviously) could have been avoided if Snow had kept her mouth like she promised she would. Yeah, I get it
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I like that they gave an explanation for her being evil without giving her an excuse. I think she's a great character and I'm looking forward to seeing the steps involved in her descent. This is the first one but there must be more in the 15 years to come.
Hmmm. Interesting. I can see him deciding to shake things up to teach Regina a lesson. However, he is quite smart enough to find a way to move his plans forward while intertwining that with one-uping Regina.
Ah. I'm not very familiar with the details of Pinocchio but the water connection is interesting.
Yes, there are definitely a number of hints that he is Pinocchio (and we haven't see the character in Storybrooke as far as I know). That would be sad for Geppetto though - another parent who doesn't get to see their kid grow up.
I need to watch the episode again before I put down my own thoughts, but a few things I took away from this episode:
No matter how Gold and Regina interact with each other, no matter WHAT happens in canon, I will go down with that ship. My fangirling during that opening scene between them (especially when he tossed her the apple) was *ridiculous*. So bring it on show. Bring. It. On.
Lana Parrilla is AMAZING. She played every aspect of Regina so well, and I totally agree about how subtly she changed from sweet, mourning Regina to the Wicked Queen in the scene where she was being prepared for her wedding. Lana and Robert deserve all the awards XD
I loved every second with Gold. Will definitely picspam at some point. Capped his parts already ^.^
I'm still not pleased about Cora being The Miller's Daughter (I haven't been since it was revealed in a sneak peek), but I'd rather she be that than Rumpel's ex. Because hopefully there's no way she could be now *prays to shipper gods*
The opening scene with the two of them was beautiful! I never get tired of watching the two of them play with each other. She is the only one he can play with as an equal. Everyone else is at a severe disadvantage even when they have their memories.
Yes, picspam! He was too pretty in this episode not to post many pictures of him. Yum.
I never thought she was his ex and Cora as the miller's daughter sets up an interesting dynamic between Rumpel and Regina. She is the one who got away.
Fortunately I was watching the episode alone because any time there is any reference to law-stuff on t.v., I become completely insufferable and point out how it is complete crap. Now, understanding that this is a world that is cursed and the Defendant is actually Snow White, I tried not to be to literal about everything, but SERIOUSLY!!!! You would NEVER EVER EVER EVER let your client talk to the prosecutor. EH!!!VER!!!! But getting beyond the device to advance the plot and get Alan Dale on screen (YAY!), it occured to me that Mr. Gold, lawyer or not, is far to clever to think that Mary Margaret would somehow soften the DA's heart and get him to reconsider the charges, especially knowing that Regina would never let him dismiss the case, even if he thought MM was innocent. If her girlish charms were going to work, it would be with a jury
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Hee. That's like when I tried to watch Bones the other night. The 'science' was killing me. I try to tell myself that it's tv science but it doesn't always help. There is only so much hand waving one woman can do.
I do think it helps if you remember that Mr. Gold was both framing Mary Margaret and had no intention of ever getting to trial. It was all about moving the pieces where he needed them. Yes, everything he did as her lawyer was a show for Regina - he knew he would never have to actually argue the case.
He knows who everyone is and knows very well that there was no way MM was ever going to soften the DA's heart since he knows the DA hates almost as much as Regina does. He was expecting her to incriminate herself so that Regina would feel very confident of winning. And then he pulled the rug out from under her.
Gosh, I kind of love Regina now. I wanted to but seeing the actress play a different sort of role sold me on it. I was genuinely worried about her and Daniel even though I know she marries the King. I also kind of think she kills her mother. Poor Regina. She should have watched Black Swan.
The little girl who portraedy young Snow was excellent. I don't know who casts these children but they're brilliant. Daniel didn't impress me but none of the men ever do. Smug New Guy is starting to irritate me.
Regina reminds me a bit of myself. Not in a great way but there it is. I have the capability for forgiveness but I have a long memory. Always had a good memory, I guess it's what you do with it.
That said, Regina needs to get over herself. Her mother didn't chain her up to marry the King. Why blame the child and not her mother? But I guess she just blamed everyone.
The sad thing is I wonder if Snow in fairytale land even knew why Regina hated her so much. But she should have known. When I was a young girl I could have figured it out
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~I wonder if Snow in fairytale land even knew why Regina hated her so much.~
Same here. Part of me thinks no - given what she said about Regina poisoning the apple because she was "prettier", she probably still thinks it's about how the king acted towards Regina as we were shown in 'Poisonous Tree'. In her eyes, it might make sense that it was all about Regina's jealousy of Snow's mother and by extension Snow herself.
On the other hand, even though she appears to accept Regina's comfort at the beginning of 'Lonely Hunter', she's pretty quick to guess that the huntsman not only is intent on killing her, but was ordered to do so by the queen.
I'm thinking maybe we're going to get at least one more episode with young Regina, the one where her mother dies (and I agree it'll probably be by her own hand), and Snow might find out what happened with Daniel somewhere around then.
I always saw that line about being prettier as sarcasm and a nod to the original story not as something we should take seriously. Snow states straight out that she ruined Regina's life and in the letter she writes to Regina when Snow thinks she is going to die she says: I understand that you will never have love in your life because of me, so it’s only fitting that I’ll be denied that same joy as well. I'd say by the time of Leopold's death she knows exactly why Regina hates her.
Her story has become a tragedy. The show likes to go on about evil being made not born and here we see evil in the making.
I also kind of think she kills her mother.
Yes, definitely she kills her mother! That was foreshadowed in Heart of Darkness where Snow had also taken the first steps to evil and would have sealed her fate by killing the Queen and taking the Queen's evil into herself. At some point Regina must feel either hopeless enough or angry enough to kill her mother and all that evil and power goes into Regina.
The sad thing is I wonder if Snow in fairytale land even knew why Regina hated her so much. But she should have known.
I think we are supposed to see young Snow as EXTREMELY naive. However, later on she wasn't at all surprised when Regina tried to kill her (the Huntsman) and knew she ruined Regina's life. So I'd say she finds out at some point.
How gorgeous was the scene with Rumpel, the apple, and Regina's glorious study?Completely gorgeous. And not just because Robert Carlyle was looking especially fine. *g
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When did Gold mention framing MM? I know he suggested planting the key. I agree with what you said about him doing all this to bring Regina down, though. How do we know he had Kathryn? I know it seems to point to that, but how do we know?
They really did do an amazing job making up Lana as Young!Regina! And the actress who played Young!Snow. Is she related? There were so many times I saw the same facial features on her as I do on the older actress!
There is no way that's Kathryn's heart in the box, since she's alive!
Who is Charming's evil non-dad?
I knew Sydney had planted a bug in those flowers! However, I still didn't realize it was because of him Regina knew Emma's plans. Sheesh ( ... )
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He was the DA who questioned MM.
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He talked to Regina about framing her in the flashback at the beginning of the episode but I figured he was involved somehow back when they found the heart. As for Kathryn - we don't know he had her but she's found immediately after he talks about doing some magic to get Mary Margaret off the hook. Also I greatly doubt he ever intended MM to get convicted so - as the whole plot was his plan all along - he must have had Kathryn from the beginning. Or at least knew exactly where she was.
Young!Snow is no relation to Ginnifer which makes it even more amazing how well they did in casting.
There is no way that's Kathryn's heart in the box, since she's alive!But this is a show where people's hearts are removed and they still walk around ( ... )
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Hmmm. Interesting. I can see him deciding to shake things up to teach Regina a lesson. However, he is quite smart enough to find a way to move his plans forward while intertwining that with one-uping Regina.
Ah. I'm not very familiar with the details of Pinocchio but the water connection is interesting.
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No matter how Gold and Regina interact with each other, no matter WHAT happens in canon, I will go down with that ship. My fangirling during that opening scene between them (especially when he tossed her the apple) was *ridiculous*. So bring it on show. Bring. It. On.
Lana Parrilla is AMAZING. She played every aspect of Regina so well, and I totally agree about how subtly she changed from sweet, mourning Regina to the Wicked Queen in the scene where she was being prepared for her wedding. Lana and Robert deserve all the awards XD
I loved every second with Gold. Will definitely picspam at some point. Capped his parts already ^.^
I'm still not pleased about Cora being The Miller's Daughter (I haven't been since it was revealed in a sneak peek), but I'd rather she be that than Rumpel's ex. Because hopefully there's no way she could be now *prays to shipper gods*
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Yes, picspam! He was too pretty in this episode not to post many pictures of him. Yum.
I never thought she was his ex and Cora as the miller's daughter sets up an interesting dynamic between Rumpel and Regina. She is the one who got away.
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You capped all his parts? Hee!
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I do think it helps if you remember that Mr. Gold was both framing Mary Margaret and had no intention of ever getting to trial. It was all about moving the pieces where he needed them. Yes, everything he did as her lawyer was a show for Regina - he knew he would never have to actually argue the case.
He knows who everyone is and knows very well that there was no way MM was ever going to soften the DA's heart since he knows the DA hates almost as much as Regina does. He was expecting her to incriminate herself so that Regina would feel very confident of winning. And then he pulled the rug out from under her.
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The little girl who portraedy young Snow was excellent. I don't know who casts these children but they're brilliant. Daniel didn't impress me but none of the men ever do. Smug New Guy is starting to irritate me.
Regina reminds me a bit of myself. Not in a great way but there it is. I have the capability for forgiveness but I have a long memory. Always had a good memory, I guess it's what you do with it.
That said, Regina needs to get over herself. Her mother didn't chain her up to marry the King. Why blame the child and not her mother? But I guess she just blamed everyone.
The sad thing is I wonder if Snow in fairytale land even knew why Regina hated her so much. But she should have known. When I was a young girl I could have figured it out ( ... )
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Same here. Part of me thinks no - given what she said about Regina poisoning the apple because she was "prettier", she probably still thinks it's about how the king acted towards Regina as we were shown in 'Poisonous Tree'. In her eyes, it might make sense that it was all about Regina's jealousy of Snow's mother and by extension Snow herself.
On the other hand, even though she appears to accept Regina's comfort at the beginning of 'Lonely Hunter', she's pretty quick to guess that the huntsman not only is intent on killing her, but was ordered to do so by the queen.
I'm thinking maybe we're going to get at least one more episode with young Regina, the one where her mother dies (and I agree it'll probably be by her own hand), and Snow might find out what happened with Daniel somewhere around then.
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I also kind of think she kills her mother.
Yes, definitely she kills her mother! That was foreshadowed in Heart of Darkness where Snow had also taken the first steps to evil and would have sealed her fate by killing the Queen and taking the Queen's evil into herself. At some point Regina must feel either hopeless enough or angry enough to kill her mother and all that evil and power goes into Regina.
The sad thing is I wonder if Snow in fairytale land even knew why Regina hated her so much. But she should have known.
I think we are supposed to see young Snow as EXTREMELY naive. However, later on she wasn't at all surprised when Regina tried to kill her (the Huntsman) and knew she ruined Regina's life. So I'd say she finds out at some point.
How gorgeous was the scene with Rumpel, the apple, and Regina's glorious study?Completely gorgeous. And not just because Robert Carlyle was looking especially fine. *g ( ... )
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