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MCU Timeline for the Origin of The Winter Soldier

May 05, 2014 16:25

I've seen a lot of posts going around about the Winter Soldier, and there is so much conflicting information about when he was created, who created him, who he worked for, etc. that I decided to build a timeline of events to work out answers to these questions. Everything has been fact checked as much as humanly possible with sources from Captain ( Read more... )

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zolac_no_miko May 6 2014, 04:28:11 UTC

Good work, Agent! :D ( ... )

chaneen May 6 2014, 15:40:03 UTC

Thanks! This post was basically made because I was writing a post about how the Winter Soldier we see in Cap 2 is clearly not the only Winter Soldier there ever was (AKA, he's done other types of missions, he used to do infiltration like Natasha did, he used to be better groomed and articulate, etc. etc. so quit being wrong tumblr), and I kept talking about his timeline, so I needed to get that straight in my head before I could write the other post. 3,000+ words later... /o\

That's exactly how I feel about it! I think his mind made some connections between things like his torture at Zola's hands after Azzano and what was done to him to make him the Soldier (arm surgery, etc.), so they appear in the same flashback, but aren't necessarily literally related in the way we see them.

Bucky is still alive when they find him, and hasn't been there for very long, a few days at most.And now I'm thinking about poor Bucky waking up after his fall, being woozy from trauma and blood loss, fading in and out of consciousness as he waits for Steve ( ... )

seratonation May 7 2014, 11:18:25 UTC

Re: him training Natasha, I know in the comics she was a little older? (from the little research I did) but in Avengers, when Bruce meets her and asks if 'they start them that early' in reference to the little girl who led him there, she says 'I did' so winter soldier training a 7 year old Natasha would fit into MCU canon, if you wanted it to.

also lol having them both die over the new years seems very marvel actually, headcanon totally accepted /o\

anyway! thank you so so much for this, I need to save it for all my future fic, but especially one I didnt think id be finishing. (and also for putting it on lj, so much easier to read!)

chaneen May 8 2014, 17:56:24 UTC

Yeah, Natasha in the comics is actually kind of close in age to Steve. She's been around as Black Widow since the 60s at least. I had totally forgotten about that reference in Avengers! I like that idea a lot. Being 7ish could still allow for a past mentorship, but explain why she doesn't recognize him now. I don't think they'll go there, but I like it!

Marvel, why are you so cruel?! D: I think the logical explanation is that Bucky's wall at the Smithsonian is wrong, but I wouldn't put it past them to be this evil.

Oh, you're welcome! I'm glad for other people to get some use out of it. :D

zolac_no_miko May 7 2014, 20:19:16 UTC

Re: Natasha, idk, I didn't see any indication that she had any idea who he was. Which made me a little sad.

"Steve mentions Zola getting captured in 1945," oooooh my brain missed that one, when was that?

ashen_key May 22 2014, 15:14:59 UTC

Hi! Heeere via someone else's link!

I was writing a post about how the Winter Soldier we see in Cap 2 is clearly not the only Winter Soldier there ever was (AKA, he's done other types of missions, he used to do infiltration like Natasha did, he used to be better groomed and articulate, etc. etc. so quit being wrong tumblr

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Yessssssssssssssssssss, this. Thiiiiiis.

I want there to be some way he could have been responsible for some of Natasha's training, because I like that backstory, but making her born in 1984 mostly destroys thatThat's only IF we're assuming Zola has the right date - if you add in Natasha's reputation (both the 'on SHIELD's radar in a bad way' plus her being the golden standard of spying in AoS), skillset, time needed to heal from her own unmaking, time needed to search for Bucky when after 2009 she's busy with SHIELD and Stark and Avengers, suggested freelance career and stated KGB career, plus her probably not being a spy in the past two years thank to New York + partners with Steve, I think ( ... )

chaneen May 22 2014, 18:35:41 UTC

Welcome!

I just don't get why tumblr wants the Winter Soldier to be sad and ungroomed for 70 years! They're missing out on a) fic that involves awesome spy-esque missions, and most of all b) the mental picture of Sebastian Stan in tailored mid-century formal wear, infiltrating parties, flirting with beautiful women, and getting close to the Winter Soldier's targets so he can kill them quickly and vanish into the night without a trace. WHY WOULD YOU DEPRIVE YOURSELF OF THAT AMAZINGNESS?! D:

I think it adds up that she's prooooooooooooooobably not thirty at all. And given her weird reactions to Bucky in movie - the collapsing in on herself when she hears 'metal arm', how distressed she is, how BITTER and tired she sounds when she was all 'yeah, tried finding him, THAT didn't work' - I think it's likely she knew Bucky pretty well way back when? So, no need to ditch that backstory.I looooove this. It totally makes sense, and I could argue even further that it doesn't necessitate Zola being wrong about the date. He could have been ( ... )

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