Fifth and Final No, Jayne's Song

[ceslas]

Title: Fifth and Final No, Jayne's Song
Series: Finding
Sub-Series: Five Times No
Characters: Jayne/River, Mal, crew
Rating: PG-13
Spoilers: Post-BDM, five years after Miranda, after Fourth No.
Disclaimer: Firefly owns me, I own words
Notes: Finally!!! It is done, the Five No's are done! For the prompt so kindly, patiently waited for by

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[ever_obsessed]

He dreamt of her, saw her as all the things that the daytime hid.

See, this?

This right shows that, one, we have a similar look at her, and two, ISTiLWthis line, you have no idea. Just, gah! On one hand, she's the innocent girl, the child rescued from the villian, the victim Kore, dragged into the Underworld. On the other hand, she's the one who knows the most, the keeper of knowledge, the woman not afraid to become a villian to save others from the villian, the dark goddess Persephone to Hades, who understands the price demanded to keep going into and then through the night. Death and rebirth, physical and nonphysical, both sides of the same coin.

Gah - just, gah, darling.

It was a painful reminder to them all of River after the Maidenhead fight.

Hee, I was hoping you'd reach that out!

You have no idea how huge my grin is right now, none.

“Yes. You did not trust him. Have not before. He will never believe until you do.”

Yes - yes, yes, yesI love when writers are able to flesh out the Jayne and Mal connection - it's pretty

[ceslas]

On one hand, she's the innocent girl, the child rescued from the villian, the victim Kore, dragged into the Underworld. On the other hand, she's the one who knows the most, the keeper of knowledge, the woman not afraid to become a villian to save others from the villian, the dark goddess Persephone to Hades, who understands the price demanded to keep going into and then through the night. Death and rebirth, physical and nonphysical, both sides of the same coin.

YES!!!! Now if I could only figure out how to articulate that as intimately as you just did.

Death and rebirth, physical and nonphysical- this couple speaks to me so vividly and with such life that I feel it in my bones when I listen for them.

Hee, I was hoping you'd reach that out!

You have no idea how huge my grin is right now, none.That is a good thing I trust! Cause, the Maidenhead fight? Yeah, Jayne in that fight, guh! His total implacable downing of the man by just a blow, no effort, no surprise...guh! And really, who was going to wake up later? The Jayne they know,

[ever_obsessed]

Heh, I live for Goddess imagery - live for it!

And River is such an image of so many archetypes of Her, it makes my head spin.

I've always loved that Joss gave us Jayne's beatdown of those several unlucky bastards in the Maidenhead fight - he could easily have just had River take him down with a bottle to the head or any one of a thousand moves that wouldn't have had them interact in any level. But he didn't - and not only did we get the Double Grab (Hah! I slay me!), we also got to see Jayne show a bit of his power physically. I firmly believe that if Those FOX Bastards hadn't been the bastards they are (moment of silence for Wonderfalls), we'd have seen a lot more of his fighting abilities - and the fact that Joss has mentioned it several times just makes me feel like I'm right, you know? It pisses me off almost as much as the HOB and how they ended - getting a quick end in the comic and then, like, nothing else.

Because, seriously?

Greatest.Villian.Entrance.Ever.

The pull back at the end of Train Job, and the blue hands, and

[ceslas]

and not only did we get the Double Grab (Hah! I slay me!), we also got to see Jayne show a bit of his power physically. I firmly believe that if Those FOX Bastards hadn't been the bastards they are (moment of silence for Wonderfalls), we'd have seen a lot more of his fighting abilities - and the fact that Joss has mentioned it several times just makes me feel like I'm right, you know?

And the clotheslining of the poor bastard at Lilac Station in the opening- I think I Whooped right there in the theater opening night!!! (and a bunch more times >;0) )

Greatest.Villian.Entrance.Ever.

Yup, that deserved special mention.

during the ride - how he says what he's supposed to say as his role would dictate, but the tone, the way he says it? Say what you want about the more official learnings, he's not an idiot, especially not when it comes to how people see him - which isn't at all strange. If you can tell how somebody feels about you, you can be ready if they decide to take you out, no? Mal doesn't grasp that, and I think that's such a

[bookaddict43]

I like River's thoughts about loyalty and trust and how she talks to Mal about it. I also like that the other women see it too and make such telling points. That Mal finally sees it too but still asks for a safe word is so him I thought.

No choosin' ta die The scene before that is very powerful, you can see the pull River has for him. But also see her dependence on Jayne as well.

I really like this fifth no and will have to come back again to really get all the nuances!

[ceslas]

That Mal finally sees it too but still asks for a safe word is so him I thought

I had to nearly strangle that man for anything at all!!!! Course, now he is blathering on to the kid. Mal can be such a pain in the ass!

I like River's thoughts about loyalty and trust and how she talks to Mal about it. I also like that the other women see it too and make such telling points.

I knew loyalty was a huge thing for Mal,but he can be so dense about seeing it when it is not displayed the way he expects. And of course the women would see and know what was going on well before him.

The scene before that is very powerful, you can see the pull River has for him. But also see her dependence on Jayne as well. This is why they are such a powerful pairing for me. They are both so strong and so vulnerable atthe same time. The need for a counter balance is so much a part of their natures that I cannot see it any otherway now. Of course, this is the 'verse as I see it, and they have so much to share that it just keeps getting richer and fuller...kids

[ceslas]

...real solid relationship...

YES! I was sooo hoping you would see that. Of all my readers (5 or 6 of them I think >;0p)yours was the reaction I was most curious about to this section!!

...just too much...

And again yes. It was a tricky line to tread there and I am thrilled it played right. *Phew*

...Mal doesn't think about Jayne, just uses him like a tool and bitches when he won't go back into the tool box all neat...

See, now when you say it that way it makes so much more sense! I love that. Perfect.

...it's never clean and neat for them. It's real, messy, knotty, complicated full of bigger dangers than the alliance...With the exception of the Alliance, I think most of us have lives that are messier and less arranged than we see in fiction. You see, I see them as people who I get to eavesdrop on, listen to tell their stories. I really loved the opening sequence when Mal wakes Jayne up. Especially what you so nicely pulled out. It just said, yes, this is real, these are real people who do not always go gushy, protective,

Re: Here be large chunks of quote...

[ceslas]

I forgot to mention we have had another brain sharing moment. It made me laugh. I'll tell you about it later.

it's later >:0)

...the more nuts and bolts side...

Exactly- it is more interesting to me to see that personally. It adds dimension that is often missing. Most days are filled witht he mundane, the moving around each other in shared space. A friend of mine says that a good love has schools of dolphins travelling through it. He calls endorphins 'dolphins'! And a good relationship has happy hormones in it- endorohins/'dolphins' but most times they are just lazing around only becoming really active once in a while. If there is no attraction between a couple he snorts that there isn't so much as a freakin' guppy >;0) I hope that makes sense...

[razycrandomgirl]

you did it! don't kno how but you madeit all fit. came full circle then came round again. and everythingis everything.

Fits.:-) Well done, darlin'. -hugs-

[ceslas]

Early in my FF writing days someone gave me that compliment as well, I circle stories around so they end up where they began but with the new element in place. I loved and *hugged* the compliment then and I still do so now. I think I see things that way. Circularity and design without any intent.

*Tackle hugs Cana for being a brilliant spark*

[razycrandomgirl]

I am happily called Spark.:D that a compliment!

[ceslas]

Spark

Then it is settled... you are Spark, leastwise you are my Spark, and that to my way of thinking is a good thing! See, cause, you get other things to spark and that just leads to all kinds of shininess!