I watched A LOT of BSG Season 3 on this three day weekend. I have four episodes to go, which wyvern_x and phaedra_amunent describe as 'glorious torture'. Can't wait
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- Finally, ridiculously superficial comments: I'm very glad that three things are gone: Adama's mustache, Apollo's fake weight, and Starbuck's long hair (though it's still not as short as I'd like).
Amen to all three!
I'm hoping to get a couple of seasons at least for the holidays. *wiggle*
They were 20% off when I was out on store visits last week, but I know that I can still get them cheaper somewhere else (shhhhhhhh) just have to shop around. At least they aren't as expensive as the Farscape boxed sets were.
Wow...I uh...kinda expected dissent on that point from you. Heh, hooray for unexpected agreement!
Yes, Roslin's and Tyrol's discussion at the end of the ep did make me think a bit. And I agree that long term, it'd be something to be concerned with. But they're, what? 2-3 years after the Cylon attack? A couple years after the human race was almost completely obliterated? And their worried about career choice? Nuh-uh. Deal with it when they have the luxury of NOT worrying about survival.
That said, the conditions needed to change and more workers needed to be transferred to the ship so the existing ones could have some R&R, if for no other reason than purely to ensure high-quality fuel. I just don't think they went about it in an altogether good way.
My thing is, if you're down in the bowels of the fuel ship day in and day out, what else do you have to think about besides how much you'd like your way of life to improve? I think their short-sightedness is reasonable, considering the realities they face daily.
I think the message of Tyrol's strike was a reasonable one. Things are shitty for the workers, and there's no chance of moving elsewhere in the fleet due to the minisociety they had set up. The cylons COULD show up at any time, so their demands had to be taken seriously. And don't forget at that point they hadn't seen the cylons for a very long time(season 3 seems to take place over the same amount of time as seasons 1 and 2 did, save for the new caprica jump) and the worry about an attack by them probably wasn't as pressing.
The last 4 eps are amazing. The last 5 minutes of season 3, in particular, are mindblowing, and will probably make you want to go back and rewatch what's already aired :P
there's no chance of moving elsewhere in the fleet due to the minisociety they had set up
I'm sorry, but when you're still not sure your society can even SURVIVE, career choice is not a priority. The fuel must flow. Those that can work the fuel, MUST work the fuel whether they like it or not. If everyone chooses another life (how many would honestly CHOOSE to work in the refinery) they have no fuel.
I agree that conditions needed to improve and they needed more workers (forcing people who could work in the refinery to do so was TOTALLY the right thing to do) so the existing ones could have time off, but frakking with the lives of the entire fleet - whether they had seen the Cylons recently or not - is the most irresponsible way to get their demands met imaginable.
I still hold firm to that, overall, Tyrol's strike was a proper course of action. Let's not forget he was organizing a strike on New Caprica when the cylons showed up, and that got dropped fast. Or the fact that fuel was still flowing to the fleet for vital military uses. If the cylons showed up, they were still as set as they could get...but what the strike did do is shut down interfleet commerce. Which is pretty much the whole point.
I have to sympathize with the blue collar strikers, simply because I can see where they're coming from.
Sides, when the frakking PRESIDENT agrees with you, AND tells you to reform the union, clearly you did something right.
If they kept the fuel flowing and simply refused to fuel commercial ships, I might agree. But they only had enough fuel for one or two jumps and that - as Adama put it - is too close of a margin. How much fuel is enough for vitally important missions is not their decision to make. And Adama was totally right - military personnel don't get to strike. That's mutiny and deserving of instant death.
Like I said, I think there were needs that needed to be met. I just don't think those ends justified the means by which they sought them.
Waterboarding did not become a hot button issue until long after those episodes originally aired, much less were scripted and filmed. You're paranoid.
And of course, the water was a construct of Baltar's own mind. They didn't put him in a tub of water to make him think of it. They just played along when they understood what his hallucination was. (iirc, it's been so long).
Hmm... The episode aired in late January of this year. I thought waterboarding was already an issue by that time. I recall some talk of it in late 2005, actually. But either way, you can understand why I'd think that. The parallels are incredible (and if intentional, incredibly blatant).
But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that's a *bad* thing. As I said, I don't mind the way BSG seems to tackle social issues because it's not preachy. That just struck me as a blatantly obvious reference, that's all. He thought he was drowning, he really wasn't drowning, blah blah blah. But you're right, the drowning was his own hallucination, not explicitly induced.
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But yeah, my bad.
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Thank you for the cut. :)
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You're welcome.
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Amen to all three!
I'm hoping to get a couple of seasons at least for the holidays. *wiggle*
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Yes, Roslin's and Tyrol's discussion at the end of the ep did make me think a bit. And I agree that long term, it'd be something to be concerned with. But they're, what? 2-3 years after the Cylon attack? A couple years after the human race was almost completely obliterated? And their worried about career choice? Nuh-uh. Deal with it when they have the luxury of NOT worrying about survival.
That said, the conditions needed to change and more workers needed to be transferred to the ship so the existing ones could have some R&R, if for no other reason than purely to ensure high-quality fuel. I just don't think they went about it in an altogether good way.
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The last 4 eps are amazing. The last 5 minutes of season 3, in particular, are mindblowing, and will probably make you want to go back and rewatch what's already aired :P
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I'm sorry, but when you're still not sure your society can even SURVIVE, career choice is not a priority. The fuel must flow. Those that can work the fuel, MUST work the fuel whether they like it or not. If everyone chooses another life (how many would honestly CHOOSE to work in the refinery) they have no fuel.
I agree that conditions needed to improve and they needed more workers (forcing people who could work in the refinery to do so was TOTALLY the right thing to do) so the existing ones could have time off, but frakking with the lives of the entire fleet - whether they had seen the Cylons recently or not - is the most irresponsible way to get their demands met imaginable.
Use the carrot, not the stick.
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I have to sympathize with the blue collar strikers, simply because I can see where they're coming from.
Sides, when the frakking PRESIDENT agrees with you, AND tells you to reform the union, clearly you did something right.
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Like I said, I think there were needs that needed to be met. I just don't think those ends justified the means by which they sought them.
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And of course, the water was a construct of Baltar's own mind. They didn't put him in a tub of water to make him think of it. They just played along when they understood what his hallucination was. (iirc, it's been so long).
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But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that's a *bad* thing. As I said, I don't mind the way BSG seems to tackle social issues because it's not preachy. That just struck me as a blatantly obvious reference, that's all. He thought he was drowning, he really wasn't drowning, blah blah blah. But you're right, the drowning was his own hallucination, not explicitly induced.
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