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This was interesting! I have a flist full of slashers, which are all my oldest friends, but they seem to have vanished in the thin air and I got very compelling comments by friends who have incommon they don't think slash, or most of them doesn't.
Instead of replying to each of your long and lovely POV, I prefer to write a second part, in which i'm trying to gather most of what you said.
Apparently, the six people who replied so far go for chemistry. They don't plan to have a ship, but are involved in something they see as a good pairing.
crystalsc, I think we think more alike than you figure. What I like to dream when I see a male character I love is actually me (or my Mary Sue) with him. Thus this is my main difficulty in accepting a het couple in canon. I can't identify in any woman I see, even if she's gorgeous or very clever or sensitive or all the good things I like in a female character. Funny enough, I could get over this feeling thanks to my slashing my fave character of all times, Danny Taylor of WaT, with Martin Fitzgerald.
I think I stick to canon, but after reading
allnitechemist and
meredith44posts, I think I exaggerated a bit. I do stick to canon about the personalities, that is if Ziva (to link to meredith's own entry) doesn't cry, I won't make her cry all the time. I don't stick to canon because if canon says that Danny in S5 dates Elena (Ugh!) I DO NOT hook them up in my mind.
meredith44, you had a very good point at the end of your second comment: you have loved characters who can be either men or women, I mostly start with the man. Where i had the exception was Cold case, where I loved Lilly since the first moment I saw her, but, since they added Scotty, who is not an expressive actor, but is a hunk (in my tastes), my balance went to weigh him more and Lilly less than before, also for the way TPTB treated her character.
Also, it's true that, slash apart, what i notice first in show, casefile excluded, is the male pairing, if there is one. I don't automatically slash them, but I notice two male friends more than a man and a woman with the same chemistry.
veronicaluv, you agree with me on most of my feelings (slash is an option, not an obligation. Chemistry must come naturally), but you said that a slash couple works in your mind if they are equally important. I think I didn't explain my point so well. The only slash couple I fancied so far is Danny/Martin. I have to love both, or I'd squick to read/write a sexual fanfic about them. Only I love Danny more sentimentally and Martin more physically. But they have to mean something to me, or the basis of my slash ship would tumble down.
I also agree on the fact that no matter how great is a couple, TV authors will succeed in writing their story badly. The only time I liked a het storyline and I thought it was quite well written, at least for a while, was with Doug and Carol from ER. Then, of course, they ruined it with some blatant exaggeration (the sex-vid, and the horrible box of snacks that apparently Doug would send her when he was far, totally out of character for both).
I need to add that being into Danny/Martin slash allowed me to read and write stories I'd ever had the chance to and fanon, the great fanon that D/M fanfic has been with such great writers, is the best memory of Danny that I have, given that in canon the authors killed him.
Of course, there must be something: I like the idea of two men together. Like you,
simple_maniac, I'm not so much on the romantic side of the 'I love yous'. I prefer male ways to show love. I don't squick (okay, I did it the first time, but only then) if I read a porn story about two men. Actually, if said story is good, I enjoy it a lot. As a matter of fact, I tried to read a few stories of passion between a male and a female characcter, but fangirls seem not to have the guts to write another woman the same way they'd do with a man, and the story skips away.
So, thank you,
simple_maniac,
twincy(I know we agree about the NCIS pattern of slashing men who can't be slashed),
veronicaluv,
crystalsc,
allnitechemist,
meredith44. I hope to read your replies and many other replies from the others, if you can spend some minutes on this.
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Instead of replying to each of your long and lovely POV, I prefer to write a second part, in which i'm trying to gather most of what you said.
Apparently, the six people who replied so far go for chemistry. They don't plan to have a ship, but are involved in something they see as a good pairing.
crystalsc, I think we think more alike than you figure. What I like to dream when I see a male character I love is actually me (or my Mary Sue) with him. Thus this is my main difficulty in accepting a het couple in canon. I can't identify in any woman I see, even if she's gorgeous or very clever or sensitive or all the good things I like in a female character. Funny enough, I could get over this feeling thanks to my slashing my fave character of all times, Danny Taylor of WaT, with Martin Fitzgerald.
I think I stick to canon, but after reading
allnitechemist and
meredith44posts, I think I exaggerated a bit. I do stick to canon about the personalities, that is if Ziva (to link to meredith's own entry) doesn't cry, I won't make her cry all the time. I don't stick to canon because if canon says that Danny in S5 dates Elena (Ugh!) I DO NOT hook them up in my mind.
meredith44, you had a very good point at the end of your second comment: you have loved characters who can be either men or women, I mostly start with the man. Where i had the exception was Cold case, where I loved Lilly since the first moment I saw her, but, since they added Scotty, who is not an expressive actor, but is a hunk (in my tastes), my balance went to weigh him more and Lilly less than before, also for the way TPTB treated her character.
Also, it's true that, slash apart, what i notice first in show, casefile excluded, is the male pairing, if there is one. I don't automatically slash them, but I notice two male friends more than a man and a woman with the same chemistry.
veronicaluv, you agree with me on most of my feelings (slash is an option, not an obligation. Chemistry must come naturally), but you said that a slash couple works in your mind if they are equally important. I think I didn't explain my point so well. The only slash couple I fancied so far is Danny/Martin. I have to love both, or I'd squick to read/write a sexual fanfic about them. Only I love Danny more sentimentally and Martin more physically. But they have to mean something to me, or the basis of my slash ship would tumble down.
I also agree on the fact that no matter how great is a couple, TV authors will succeed in writing their story badly. The only time I liked a het storyline and I thought it was quite well written, at least for a while, was with Doug and Carol from ER. Then, of course, they ruined it with some blatant exaggeration (the sex-vid, and the horrible box of snacks that apparently Doug would send her when he was far, totally out of character for both).
I need to add that being into Danny/Martin slash allowed me to read and write stories I'd ever had the chance to and fanon, the great fanon that D/M fanfic has been with such great writers, is the best memory of Danny that I have, given that in canon the authors killed him.
Of course, there must be something: I like the idea of two men together. Like you,
simple_maniac, I'm not so much on the romantic side of the 'I love yous'. I prefer male ways to show love. I don't squick (okay, I did it the first time, but only then) if I read a porn story about two men. Actually, if said story is good, I enjoy it a lot. As a matter of fact, I tried to read a few stories of passion between a male and a female characcter, but fangirls seem not to have the guts to write another woman the same way they'd do with a man, and the story skips away.
So, thank you,
simple_maniac,
twincy(I know we agree about the NCIS pattern of slashing men who can't be slashed),
veronicaluv,
crystalsc,
allnitechemist,
meredith44. I hope to read your replies and many other replies from the others, if you can spend some minutes on this.
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