Re: Looking at this from a character arc perspectivecandleanfeatherMarch 7 2010, 22:14:56 UTC
Don't be sorry. It's always a pleasure to see that what you've written has been thoughts inducing for other persons. And I always love to read your thoughts. But you'll have to excuse for not answering tonight, because I want to get to bed. I have to wake up early tomorrow (back to work!)
Re: Looking at this from a character arc perspectivecandleanfeatherMarch 9 2010, 16:23:47 UTC
Spike's part is still a question mark and the more intriguing for it, of course. Like you I don't think he will end up with Buffy either. It's not important to me, because I'm not a shipper and I'd rather see him develop on Btvs or through his own stories (though I'm far from being impressed by what Lynch has done with the character.)
I hadn't catch up on the fact that Whedon has kept the character for himself. I do think it's a character he really appreciates, but of course there're probably other reasons to explain this.
And again I'm going to thank you for developing here your thoughts and I'm even going to push you further and ask you if you'd agree to make some meta to show the parallels between DH and season 8 when the story will be finished. Of course feel free to refuse this (dishonest) proposal. :-)
Re: Looking at this from a character arc perspectivecandleanfeatherMarch 9 2010, 16:10:14 UTC
For all the reasons you give, I don't think Spike will be used as a minion of Twangel. Their main thematics are at diametrically opposites. Unless, they put aside these themes and use Spike's last arc on ATS, where he ended following Angel's lead. (To me the status of ATS is quite unclear -ducks to escape your ire-, especially in regard of how J Whedon considers what happened to the characters in terms of development.).
Up until now, Dawn's arc seemed quite useless, or to say better weird if all its staples had for only goal to establish her relationship with Xander. It's a quite contorted way to go for such a simple fact. So you could be onto something, if her arc is there to mirror and/or comment on Buffy's arc.
Re: Looking at this from a character arc perspectivecandleanfeatherMarch 9 2010, 15:55:09 UTC
You gave a good list of examples of Spike speaking about glowing. Perhaps Whedon will do something to link these occurences of season 7 to the theme of season 8. It wouldn't be the first time Btvs would play with little details comming from older seasons. Now about glowing, I tend to think the imagery associated to Spike himself bends more precisely towards images of open violent fire. Even effulgent, a keyword to understand Spike if there's one, comes from the latin "fulgur" meaning lightning. I'm pretty sure a study in symbolic imagery would end up in a rich harvest of different types of glow associated with different themes and characters.
I don't think Twangel has executed Spike either, but nonetheless it's been two times now that he has been associated with scenes or ideas of execution. Will that reveal meaningful in the end, I don't know.
Pets Andrew. He's a softy. :-)
That being said I'd really like to see some interaction between Giles and Spike, as well as with other Scoobies in fact.
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But you'll have to excuse for not answering tonight, because I want to get to bed. I have to wake up early tomorrow (back to work!)
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I hadn't catch up on the fact that Whedon has kept the character for himself. I do think it's a character he really appreciates, but of course there're probably other reasons to explain this.
And again I'm going to thank you for developing here your thoughts and I'm even going to push you further and ask you if you'd agree to make some meta to show the parallels between DH and season 8 when the story will be finished. Of course feel free to refuse this (dishonest) proposal. :-)
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Up until now, Dawn's arc seemed quite useless, or to say better weird if all its staples had for only goal to establish her relationship with Xander. It's a quite contorted way to go for such a simple fact. So you could be onto something, if her arc is there to mirror and/or comment on Buffy's arc.
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Now about glowing, I tend to think the imagery associated to Spike himself bends more precisely towards images of open violent fire. Even effulgent, a keyword to understand Spike if there's one, comes from the latin "fulgur" meaning lightning. I'm pretty sure a study in symbolic imagery would end up in a rich harvest of different types of glow associated with different themes and characters.
I don't think Twangel has executed Spike either, but nonetheless it's been two times now that he has been associated with scenes or ideas of execution. Will that reveal meaningful in the end, I don't know.
Pets Andrew. He's a softy. :-)
That being said I'd really like to see some interaction between Giles and Spike, as well as with other Scoobies in fact.
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