I knew there was a reason that I don't watch Supernatural. Yikes. Totally can't do it after reading your thoughts.
I'm going to stick to shows where women actually get counted as people.
I'm 100% behind you on that one.
And I agree wholeheartedly about Smallville this season. The show needed a change and a change of cast really helped. I'm loving Clark and Lois! Chloe's storyline is very interesting and a bit scary and I also like Davis.
I knew there was a reason that I don't watch Supernatural. Yikes. Totally can't do it after reading your thoughts.
Don't. Yeah. I kept thinking that it had to get better (back to when it was only normal 'horror' levels of sexism!) and... no. Once it falls into blatant woman-hate, it never climbs out again. I'm frustrated at this because I really do love the relationship between the two brothers -- it's well-written and feels natural and epic and tragically great. But if I have to take writers who don't recognize that women have minds and lives of their own, then no compensation is great enough.
And I agree wholeheartedly about Smallville this season. The show needed a change and a change of cast really helped. I'm loving Clark and Lois! Chloe's storyline is very interesting and a bit scary and I also like Davis.
Yes! The cast shake-up worked so well. And I love Lois so much (great example of a very strong female character!). Davis has been a neat new addition as well. Chloe has been really awesome this season.
So, so, SO much word re: SPN. I'm so fucking angry about it, and the fact that I feel like a broken record on this score probably says it all. There shouldn't be ANY instances of this shit, let alone multiple ones.
Yes. The fact that this is the second instance of 'funny rape' on the show ("Simon Said") is... horrifying. The fact that so many people watching the show aren't even mentioning it is possibly even more so. I've seen a couple of people mention the situation with Hope, but most reviews haven't even mentioned her character. I can't even express how deeply that bothers me.
And it makes the recent dancing around the 'Are Ruby and Sam sleeping together?' issue even more disgusting. Because now we have show-based evidence that they don't think it counts as rape if the woman doesn't remember afterwards.
Honestly? I look at the number of people in fandom who didn't think it was an issue in Simon Said, and the number of people who clearly didn't even pick up on it this time (I've STILL seen more sympathy for him than anger over Hope), and I just. I feel horrible that people are proving the writers right: people DON'T think rape is rape, they don't notice what happened to Hope, and/or they don't care.
I'm... not sure which of those three options would depress me more. Oh, fuck, they're all pretty damn depressing.
Meanwhile, that poll I linked to yesterday is at 50/50 over whether sleeping with someone who can't possibly consent is rape. Because clearly, that's a real brain teaser. Urgh.
Yeah, I went over there and voted and had to back out quickly when I started looking at the comments. Some weren't bad, but others...
And the idea that the rape factor in Sam/Ruby wouldn't count because Kripke didn't mean it that way just frustrates me so much.
The show didn't even acknowledge that it was rape. They made it obvious that she'd been sleeping with him for a month because of his wish that she 'love him more than anything' but none of the other characters mentioned that she deserved free will and the right to choose the guy she wanted to be with. The closest they got was that the relationship wasn't 'functional'.
Wait, this episode that people are calling "funny" and "light-hearted" and "awesome" was about some poor woman getting raped?
Yeah. The originating wish was by some guy who wished that Hope (who had never noticed him before) would 'love him more than anything' and the show made it very obvious that there was a sexual relationship. But I guess as long as no one says the word 'rape', it's all fun and games.
Yuck. I'll just keep on not watching that show. I appreciate the sacrifice you've made in watching it and letting me know I'm only missing upsetting things.
Hey, got any movie recs for me? My collection is 95% sci-fi and I thought I'd try something without any spaceships or robots or superheroes for once, but I'm too lazy to wade through the selection on my own. What my collection is specifically lacking is romance. All of my spaceship-free movies seem to feature relationships in which one or both parties die, and I'm not always in the mood for the angst. On the other hand, I tend to get wildly impatient with romantic comedies, because they never seem to ring true. By the time the couple gets together, I always hate them both for being so bloody stupid as to not communicate properly for the last hour and a half.
Okay, maybe finding a movie I won't hate is a bit too huge of a task for anyone, and I'll just go away now . . .
I know! I was hoping that someone would say that the reason the guy's wish was wrong was because Hope is a person, but they never did. Instead, it was all 'wishes go south' (using very strong boy as an illustration) and that it's not a 'functional' relationship and can't be what he really wanted. It was all about him and not at all about her, just like his wish in the first place.
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I'm going to stick to shows where women actually get counted as people.
I'm 100% behind you on that one.
And I agree wholeheartedly about Smallville this season. The show needed a change and a change of cast really helped. I'm loving Clark and Lois! Chloe's storyline is very interesting and a bit scary and I also like Davis.
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Don't. Yeah. I kept thinking that it had to get better (back to when it was only normal 'horror' levels of sexism!) and... no. Once it falls into blatant woman-hate, it never climbs out again. I'm frustrated at this because I really do love the relationship between the two brothers -- it's well-written and feels natural and epic and tragically great. But if I have to take writers who don't recognize that women have minds and lives of their own, then no compensation is great enough.
And I agree wholeheartedly about Smallville this season. The show needed a change and a change of cast really helped. I'm loving Clark and Lois! Chloe's storyline is very interesting and a bit scary and I also like Davis.
Yes! The cast shake-up worked so well. And I love Lois so much (great example of a very strong female character!). Davis has been a neat new addition as well. Chloe has been really awesome this season.
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Yes. The fact that this is the second instance of 'funny rape' on the show ("Simon Said") is... horrifying. The fact that so many people watching the show aren't even mentioning it is possibly even more so. I've seen a couple of people mention the situation with Hope, but most reviews haven't even mentioned her character. I can't even express how deeply that bothers me.
And it makes the recent dancing around the 'Are Ruby and Sam sleeping together?' issue even more disgusting. Because now we have show-based evidence that they don't think it counts as rape if the woman doesn't remember afterwards.
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I'm... not sure which of those three options would depress me more. Oh, fuck, they're all pretty damn depressing.
Meanwhile, that poll I linked to yesterday is at 50/50 over whether sleeping with someone who can't possibly consent is rape. Because clearly, that's a real brain teaser. Urgh.
Yeah, I went over there and voted and had to back out quickly when I started looking at the comments. Some weren't bad, but others...
And the idea that the rape factor in Sam/Ruby wouldn't count because Kripke didn't mean it that way just frustrates me so much.
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*headdesk*
And here I was having a scrap of faith in humanity this week. Thank you for keeping me from actually watching this show.
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Yeah. The originating wish was by some guy who wished that Hope (who had never noticed him before) would 'love him more than anything' and the show made it very obvious that there was a sexual relationship. But I guess as long as no one says the word 'rape', it's all fun and games.
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Hey, got any movie recs for me? My collection is 95% sci-fi and I thought I'd try something without any spaceships or robots or superheroes for once, but I'm too lazy to wade through the selection on my own. What my collection is specifically lacking is romance. All of my spaceship-free movies seem to feature relationships in which one or both parties die, and I'm not always in the mood for the angst. On the other hand, I tend to get wildly impatient with romantic comedies, because they never seem to ring true. By the time the couple gets together, I always hate them both for being so bloody stupid as to not communicate properly for the last hour and a half.
Okay, maybe finding a movie I won't hate is a bit too huge of a task for anyone, and I'll just go away now . . .
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do you like musicals?
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