40mg of adderall four times a week is hardly a problem. Shoot, my doctor gives me a script for that dose daily, though I rarely take that much and always take a few days off a week. The fact is, everyone gets benefits from stimulants in the same way you do, they help concentration, focus, give you energy. If he finds adderall beneficial, he should consider finding a doctor to prescribe it for him.
Humans, like many animals, enjoy altering their chemistry, there's nothing sinful about it. It's a shame that our puritanical society has turned a base desire into a crime.
It's pretty ironic that in our culture of prohibition we are constantly bombarded with ads telling us to ask our doctors if we should take more drugs. They're OK, as long as the Gov't and insurance agencies get their cut.
What do you mean by a "drinking problem"? I ask because as I said before, I hardly see 40mg as a "speed problem".
AA and NA are cults, no different from any religious cult. They never cure addiction, in fact they do nothing but reinforce the idea that the person is ALWAYS an addict and always dependent on the group. I think there are much better ways of dealing with drug use.
I have to refute Libby's second last line. Drugs do NOT inevitably lead to jails, institution, and death. Many drug users have been presidents, Nobel prize winners, musicians, artists, poets, educators, respected community leaders, parents, astronauts, and over all winners in life. Wasson and Crick, Buzz Aldrin, Barak Obama, Bill Clinton, Madonna, the Shaw of Iran, Johnny Cash, Hank Williams, Tori Amos, Carl Sagan, Queen Victoria, King George V, Mayor of Washington DC Marion Barry, The Beatles, Winston Churchill, Charles Dickens, Sigmund Freud, Bill Gates, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, even the Prophet Mohammad smoked hashish... the list goes on and on.
So get over it, he's human, like most humans he enjoys getting high, big deal.
NA saved my best friend's life, as well as her husbands, and so many other people I've met. It's not a cult-- it's a program that gives people the tools they need to fight addiction. And even in NA they say the only cure is death-- an addict will always be an addict, it's just a matter of acting on the addiction or staying clean.
Someone confesses publically that their SO has been stealing their prescription meds and may have an addiction problem and you lecture that person about how she's overreacting? Classy.
And while some people have been drug users and successful - the list of drug users who have ended up incarcerated or dead is too long to write in an LJ comment.
Seriously? He was a diagnosed alcoholic at 19. Drinking problem so bad that he was in rehab before, and actually drank so much that he surprised his rehab counselor that he was even alive. He destroyed an emergency room, fought officers, all while on speed and drunk off his ass. So yeah, hes got a tiny little problem but thank you for your empathy.
Maybe cut back on that 40. I take 40 xr daily because I have had adhd and 3 bad concussions in 2 years, and I hardly ever fly off the handle at other peoples problems that dont affect me.
Being a senior psychology student at Canisius and maintaing a great GPA, I understand the seriousness of my boyfriends addiction far more than you could. Considering he's been HIDING it behind my back for 2 years and has STOLEN my medication.
Youre not supposed to get a high off of Adderall and Ritalin if you have authentic ADHD. Did you know that? Fact. If I take my meds I concentrate, but even on the XR I fall asleep 4 hours later. Coffee works better to wake me up. But you wouldnt know that, you just like that false euphoria that makes you happy for, what, 12 hours until you get to take it again?
You make a lot of great points and I agree with you that deviance is a social construction, but the truth is that there are a lot of people whose lives become controlled by substances and it is something that is no longer desired. Whether or not that is the case with the poster's friend, only they know. I don't agree with the disease model of addiction either, but 12-step programs have worked for a lot of people. Different things work for different people, and if it gives them hope and helps them lead the lives that they want for themselves, then I support it. So yeah, just my two cents :)
Potter, initially I too, thought that it was a relatively small amount of drugs to be considered 'abuse' or 'dependence,' but technically, if he thinks he has a problem, and wants to stop using and finds that he can't, then he is in need of professional intervention.
I spent from the age of 13 to 27 getting wasted, losing everything (jobs, cars, houses, friends, etc.) getting clean, and starting the process again. Sometimes I can hold it down, most of the time, I can't.
I DO believe that there are people out there, especially people like you who tend to be more interested in the altering of your chemistry and exploration of self through drugs, who can manage drug use and life. I also know from firsthand experience that NOTHING will stop my drug use. I will continue to use until every last cent is gone, every last option is gone, every last friend and family member has given up. I am lucky I do not have children, because even child custody issues wouldn't keep me from using. I have a incurable disease, but it can be arrested by modifying my behavior.
I haven't been brainwashed. I miss drugs. I have been in the nuthouse, rehab, dynamic talk therapy, DBT, EMDR programs, ad infiniteum, and at the moment, i've found a lot of support through Narcotics Anonymous. It's not for everyone, but for many, it's a lifeline that works and turns things around.
NA and AA suggest 90 meetings in 90 days, but I know plenty of old timers who only attend meetings when they have a bad day or feel like coming to celebrate a friend's anniversary.
I can list just as many people for whom drugs have led to death. I hate to be the person on the other side of this argument, Potter, because you know how much I loved drugs. I allowed them to ruin everything, and when I kicked I truly felt like I lost my best friend.
Humans, like many animals, enjoy altering their chemistry, there's nothing sinful about it. It's a shame that our puritanical society has turned a base desire into a crime.
It's pretty ironic that in our culture of prohibition we are constantly bombarded with ads telling us to ask our doctors if we should take more drugs. They're OK, as long as the Gov't and insurance agencies get their cut.
What do you mean by a "drinking problem"? I ask because as I said before, I hardly see 40mg as a "speed problem".
AA and NA are cults, no different from any religious cult. They never cure addiction, in fact they do nothing but reinforce the idea that the person is ALWAYS an addict and always dependent on the group. I think there are much better ways of dealing with drug use.
I have to refute Libby's second last line. Drugs do NOT inevitably lead to jails, institution, and death. Many drug users have been presidents, Nobel prize winners, musicians, artists, poets, educators, respected community leaders, parents, astronauts, and over all winners in life. Wasson and Crick, Buzz Aldrin, Barak Obama, Bill Clinton, Madonna, the Shaw of Iran, Johnny Cash, Hank Williams, Tori Amos, Carl Sagan, Queen Victoria, King George V, Mayor of Washington DC Marion Barry, The Beatles, Winston Churchill, Charles Dickens, Sigmund Freud, Bill Gates, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, even the Prophet Mohammad smoked hashish... the list goes on and on.
So get over it, he's human, like most humans he enjoys getting high, big deal.
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Maybe cut back on that 40. I take 40 xr daily because I have had adhd and 3 bad concussions in 2 years, and I hardly ever fly off the handle at other peoples problems that dont affect me.
Being a senior psychology student at Canisius and maintaing a great GPA, I understand the seriousness of my boyfriends addiction far more than you could. Considering he's been HIDING it behind my back for 2 years and has STOLEN my medication.
Youre not supposed to get a high off of Adderall and Ritalin if you have authentic ADHD. Did you know that? Fact. If I take my meds I concentrate, but even on the XR I fall asleep 4 hours later. Coffee works better to wake me up. But you wouldnt know that, you just like that false euphoria that makes you happy for, what, 12 hours until you get to take it again?
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I spent from the age of 13 to 27 getting wasted, losing everything (jobs, cars, houses, friends, etc.) getting clean, and starting the process again. Sometimes I can hold it down, most of the time, I can't.
I DO believe that there are people out there, especially people like you who tend to be more interested in the altering of your chemistry and exploration of self through drugs, who can manage drug use and life. I also know from firsthand experience that NOTHING will stop my drug use. I will continue to use until every last cent is gone, every last option is gone, every last friend and family member has given up. I am lucky I do not have children, because even child custody issues wouldn't keep me from using. I have a incurable disease, but it can be arrested by modifying my behavior.
I haven't been brainwashed. I miss drugs. I have been in the nuthouse, rehab, dynamic talk therapy, DBT, EMDR programs, ad infiniteum, and at the moment, i've found a lot of support through Narcotics Anonymous. It's not for everyone, but for many, it's a lifeline that works and turns things around.
NA and AA suggest 90 meetings in 90 days, but I know plenty of old timers who only attend meetings when they have a bad day or feel like coming to celebrate a friend's anniversary.
I can list just as many people for whom drugs have led to death. I hate to be the person on the other side of this argument, Potter, because you know how much I loved drugs. I allowed them to ruin everything, and when I kicked I truly felt like I lost my best friend.
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