Huh, I kind of assumed that the creepy kids were twins. Rebecca's diary had stuff only about being pregnant and if she'd already had one kid at that point, I think that she would've mentioned it in the diary. Plus Rebecca's dad threatening her with the baby's future sounds more effective if she didn't have a kid already. But yes, the creepy!boy did look older than the girl (eating rats=fountain of youth??) and identical creepy!girl!twins would've been the most effective for random lurking
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It would make sense that they were twins. However, her not mentioning it doesn't prove she didn't have another baby after or before the pregnancy discussed in the diary or that she didn't have another unfound diary. Rebecca hung herself when she was 20, so those two kids (twins) or the eldest of the two couldn't be older than maybe 10 or 12. *is annoyed that the boy looked/sounded older than this* But I think on my part this was silly to bring up because it's a never ending discussion that means nothing in the long run.
But I feel the need to mention that this ep happened a month after 4x10 so a lot has happened to the boys since that one and having this conversation again probably doesn't feel as repetitive to them as it does to usIf looked at from the characters' perspective as if they were real people processing/living those lives I agree with you. But from an audience of a TV show point of view, I still think this was dragged out too long. If we had 40 episodes a season then the story could afford to take its time, but we
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But I think on my part this was silly to bring up because it's a never ending discussion that means nothing in the long run.
Well, it's a never-ending discussion, yes, but it ties into the whole creepy!dude ex machina thing and the resolution of the story, so it's not silly to bring it up.
But from an audience of a TV show point of view, I still think this was dragged out too long.
*deep sigh* I know, I know. And I do agree with you. That was just me desperately attempting to justify the boys' discussion somehow because I want the return-from-hiatus ep be totally cool and awesome, no matter what. *is lame*
It's this internal shift, the fact that I think he now questions the most fundamental part of himself, the part he's always fallen back on --Yes, it's an internal shift but I didn't really see it. That might just be my problem, though. Dean's angsting about the torture so much that the fact he even enjoyed it doesn't really register with me; also, because Dean would've hunted nonstop enjoyment or not, I can't really track the
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That was just me desperately attempting to justify the boys' discussion somehow because I want the return-from-hiatus ep be totally cool and awesome, no matter what. *is lame*
Aww, you are not lame. And I wish this season was progressing better than it is and I wasn't so disgruntled with its pace and weirdly weighted plot emphasis because I want every episode to be awesome and cool and blow me away.
Yes, it's an internal shift but I didn't really see it. That might just be my problem, though.OK, I see what you're saying. You're not the only one who has mentioned this blackjedii wrote a meta on this and llywela has been discussing this in her thread to this post. It seems strange that Dean's acting like pre-Hell Dean and on the other hand it seems like maybe he'd be repressing (and wouldn't it be disturbing and sad if Dean lost what makes him essentially Dean ... jokes, horndoggyness, impulse control issues?). I can see both sides to the argument and agree with parts of both of them. But, like I was telling llywela, I reached
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I reached my saturation point with Dean's Hell story early this season--
While I think that they could've hinted more at Dean remembering Hell (with perhaps a few additional flashbacks), for me the overall pacing of that storyline worked. It was actually a lot like S2 and the secret John told Dean in 2x01 and Dean told Sam in 2x10. The rerun of 2x10 was aired here just last Thursday (so Thu is in a way also SPN day for me) and made me think about the similarities in S2 and S4.
You could fly to Vancouver and meet me at the Con and we can fangirl over everything and be in a J2 sandwich!
As much as I'm very excited and YAY! \o/ about this plan, I kind of meant if there was anything I could do now. :)
You think there are actually prophecies somewhere about Sam (and Dean)?Now that would be awesome, wouldn't it? I'd really like to think that there's a prophecy mentioning the boys. Or if destiny isn't fully at work in the show, at least that when Sam became the last surviving PsyKid and got an integral part in the demon war, Dean became
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It was actually a lot like S2 and the secret John told Dean in 2x01 and Dean told Sam in 2x10.
This is true. *ponders* I wonder why it is that this season it didn't work for me when I had no problem with it in S2. Hmm. *scratches head* I think it's because there was one main story arc and even though that specific plot point was spun out, the rest of the mytharc-related reveals were all moving in the same direction so I didn't feel like we weren't going anywhere or impatient. This season I think it's the fact there are 2 mytharc-related stories that (to me) almost seem to be competing with each other (even though in the end they'll merge into one storyline, I'm sure). I think the bottom line was that I was getting tired of Dean's reveals and wanted to know what else was going on with the rest of the story.
I kind of meant if there was anything I could do now. :)Oh, *glee* You ... erm ... could send good vibes to Kripke so that he writes an awesome season finale that makes us all scream and pull our hair out but in the end
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But I feel the need to mention that this ep happened a month after 4x10 so a lot has happened to the boys since that one and having this conversation again probably doesn't feel as repetitive to them as it does to usIf looked at from the characters' perspective as if they were real people processing/living those lives I agree with you. But from an audience of a TV show point of view, I still think this was dragged out too long. If we had 40 episodes a season then the story could afford to take its time, but we ( ... )
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Well, it's a never-ending discussion, yes, but it ties into the whole creepy!dude ex machina thing and the resolution of the story, so it's not silly to bring it up.
But from an audience of a TV show point of view, I still think this was dragged out too long.
*deep sigh* I know, I know. And I do agree with you. That was just me desperately attempting to justify the boys' discussion somehow because I want the return-from-hiatus ep be totally cool and awesome, no matter what. *is lame*
It's this internal shift, the fact that I think he now questions the most fundamental part of himself, the part he's always fallen back on --Yes, it's an internal shift but I didn't really see it. That might just be my problem, though. Dean's angsting about the torture so much that the fact he even enjoyed it doesn't really register with me; also, because Dean would've hunted nonstop enjoyment or not, I can't really track the ( ... )
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Aww, you are not lame. And I wish this season was progressing better than it is and I wasn't so disgruntled with its pace and weirdly weighted plot emphasis because I want every episode to be awesome and cool and blow me away.
Yes, it's an internal shift but I didn't really see it. That might just be my problem, though.OK, I see what you're saying. You're not the only one who has mentioned this blackjedii wrote a meta on this and llywela has been discussing this in her thread to this post. It seems strange that Dean's acting like pre-Hell Dean and on the other hand it seems like maybe he'd be repressing (and wouldn't it be disturbing and sad if Dean lost what makes him essentially Dean ... jokes, horndoggyness, impulse control issues?). I can see both sides to the argument and agree with parts of both of them. But, like I was telling llywela, I reached ( ... )
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While I think that they could've hinted more at Dean remembering Hell (with perhaps a few additional flashbacks), for me the overall pacing of that storyline worked. It was actually a lot like S2 and the secret John told Dean in 2x01 and Dean told Sam in 2x10. The rerun of 2x10 was aired here just last Thursday (so Thu is in a way also SPN day for me) and made me think about the similarities in S2 and S4.
You could fly to Vancouver and meet me at the Con and we can fangirl over everything and be in a J2 sandwich!
As much as I'm very excited and YAY! \o/ about this plan, I kind of meant if there was anything I could do now. :)
You think there are actually prophecies somewhere about Sam (and Dean)?Now that would be awesome, wouldn't it? I'd really like to think that there's a prophecy mentioning the boys. Or if destiny isn't fully at work in the show, at least that when Sam became the last surviving PsyKid and got an integral part in the demon war, Dean became ( ... )
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This is true. *ponders* I wonder why it is that this season it didn't work for me when I had no problem with it in S2. Hmm. *scratches head* I think it's because there was one main story arc and even though that specific plot point was spun out, the rest of the mytharc-related reveals were all moving in the same direction so I didn't feel like we weren't going anywhere or impatient. This season I think it's the fact there are 2 mytharc-related stories that (to me) almost seem to be competing with each other (even though in the end they'll merge into one storyline, I'm sure). I think the bottom line was that I was getting tired of Dean's reveals and wanted to know what else was going on with the rest of the story.
I kind of meant if there was anything I could do now. :)Oh, *glee* You ... erm ... could send good vibes to Kripke so that he writes an awesome season finale that makes us all scream and pull our hair out but in the end ( ... )
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