I made five new icons this afternoon but forgot I needed a BSG one. I wonder where is a good place to get BSG screencaps?
I agree with you that the peace movement was not depicted well, (Actually, by my standards if you're committing acts of violence, by definition you're not a peace movement). But I enjoyed seeing the complexity of opinions and factions in the fleet, however.
Did you leave me that note when you first watched it? Oh, now I feel bad that it took me so long to be able to watch these episodes. Next season I'll definitely download from itunes so we can be in synch.
I agree with you that Roslin's decisions in this episode are initially motivated by her impending death and her need to consolidate power and protect that which she has created. Frankly, I can't argue either with the decisions she makes or why she makes them. In a perfect world she should consult people, but given the situation, I think she was absolutely justified in taking out the threats represented by Caine and the baby.
I was intrigued to figure out that all the Roslin flashbacks were set in basically the same day. That was quite a last day on Caprica she had! I actually loved the flashbacks, both for what we learned about her (her affair with the president!) and because it gave us a chance to see how she dealt with people and what she had learned from working withe the president. I love, too, how the teacher's strike was basically paralleled to the peace movement activists, and how in the end, though Roslin clearly had learned some things for the president, she maintained her own style at the end of this episode.
Did you think all those flashes of Gaius and Six in Roslin's flashbacks were real memories that are just surfacing, visions, or just her subconscious figuring things out? (It's interesting how Gaius and Roslin both have unreliable yet perhaps prophetic visions in this show).
I also, frankly, loved Baltar in this episode (though more in the love-to-hate the intriguing villain way). The terrifying possibility that he might become president really upped the stakes in this episode.
Here we go: gratuitous BSG icon post. (Though the screencap was kind of grainy, unfortunately--I need to find a better source.) But I'm kind of happy with the color--I lightened it a lot and changed some of the tones. I now spend a lot of time making icons that never see the light of day, playing with color etc.
Oh yeah! That's a popular shot for iconage! It's very pretty, and so squeeful and glowy! I know there is a good BSG screencap place--I'll track it down... Your icons are definitely improving! All that playing around is paying off--how cool!
That's an AWESOME icon! *g* And yes, I have a massive collection of BSG icons, but never enough!
Now don't feel bad at all! I did leave the note deliberately for you when I first watched it, knowing that you wouldn't see it for ages (if ever). But yay! Now you have watched and commented! *g* I was missing having you to discuss things with. I would love it so much if we watched in sync next season.
Yes, I think one of the things that BSG shows best is that in extreme circumstances, strong decisions DO need to be made, even ones that go against the usual human moral codes. And Roslin goes through a journey of being pushed further and further into extremity--especially with the added pressure of thinking she's dying soon. She's almost like a mother doing everything she can to ensure a good life for her children before she dies herself.
Yes, it was an interesting choice of flashbacks--all from the one day. I remember vaguely hearing that the writers had made that choice because they wanted to 'fill in some of the blanks' on the day the Cylons attack--in the miniseries, we don't really know what everyone is doing.
Yes, I did enjoy seeing Roslin stand up to the president about the teacher's strike, and it was interesting to think that she has a history of affairs with key power players--that she's mixed the personal and the political before now.
With the flashes of Gaius and Six, again, I'm pretty sure the writers said they were meant to be real memories--and that was my interepretion of them, but I do like the reading whereby it could just be her subconscious working things out. I especially like that regardless, it's knowledge she can't really act on--it could be doubted.
And yes, I do love Baltar now. I've come full-circle with him (though the breakthrough with his character came later than this ep for me). I am looking forward to rewatching now that he is not just nails-on-a-chalkboard to me. Because he certainly is fascinating!
And isn't Baltar as president-in-waiting just the most terrifying possibility? Eeep!
I really like that icon of Baltar and Six, too--where did you snag it from? The color is really gorgeous. (It's funny, because I do like that type of icon, with little pieces of people's faces repeated, but when it comes to cropping I am usually reluctant to chop up someone's face).
It's so interesting that those flashes ROslin got of Gaius/Six are real memories, since I had the sense that their romance was a lot more clandestine. (He didn't know she was a Cylon, but she was some sort of paid consultant for a computer firm that he was making government contracts with, right? I can't remember the details--clearly I should rewatch the miniseries!) I'm suprised he would risk being seen in public with her).
dandelicons. This is from the same icon maker. I love the colour in her icons. And yes, I can imagine chopping up faces would be daunting--sometimes it's pulled off to great effect, but I wouldn't know where to begin, or how to know what will work or not work.
Yeah, it was a very different spin on their relationship--to me it definitely gave the feel of them having had a crazy, out of control quality to their love, which I can buy, but yes, I'm also going to have to rewatch as I can't exactly remember her status either--that sounds right though.
I agree with you that the peace movement was not depicted well, (Actually, by my standards if you're committing acts of violence, by definition you're not a peace movement). But I enjoyed seeing the complexity of opinions and factions in the fleet, however.
Did you leave me that note when you first watched it? Oh, now I feel bad that it took me so long to be able to watch these episodes. Next season I'll definitely download from itunes so we can be in synch.
I agree with you that Roslin's decisions in this episode are initially motivated by her impending death and her need to consolidate power and protect that which she has created. Frankly, I can't argue either with the decisions she makes or why she makes them. In a perfect world she should consult people, but given the situation, I think she was absolutely justified in taking out the threats represented by Caine and the baby.
I was intrigued to figure out that all the Roslin flashbacks were set in basically the same day. That was quite a last day on Caprica she had! I actually loved the flashbacks, both for what we learned about her (her affair with the president!) and because it gave us a chance to see how she dealt with people and what she had learned from working withe the president. I love, too, how the teacher's strike was basically paralleled to the peace movement activists, and how in the end, though Roslin clearly had learned some things for the president, she maintained her own style at the end of this episode.
Did you think all those flashes of Gaius and Six in Roslin's flashbacks were real memories that are just surfacing, visions, or just her subconscious figuring things out? (It's interesting how Gaius and Roslin both have unreliable yet perhaps prophetic visions in this show).
I also, frankly, loved Baltar in this episode (though more in the love-to-hate the intriguing villain way). The terrifying possibility that he might become president really upped the stakes in this episode.
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Now don't feel bad at all! I did leave the note deliberately for you when I first watched it, knowing that you wouldn't see it for ages (if ever). But yay! Now you have watched and commented! *g* I was missing having you to discuss things with. I would love it so much if we watched in sync next season.
Yes, I think one of the things that BSG shows best is that in extreme circumstances, strong decisions DO need to be made, even ones that go against the usual human moral codes. And Roslin goes through a journey of being pushed further and further into extremity--especially with the added pressure of thinking she's dying soon. She's almost like a mother doing everything she can to ensure a good life for her children before she dies herself.
Yes, it was an interesting choice of flashbacks--all from the one day. I remember vaguely hearing that the writers had made that choice because they wanted to 'fill in some of the blanks' on the day the Cylons attack--in the miniseries, we don't really know what everyone is doing.
Yes, I did enjoy seeing Roslin stand up to the president about the teacher's strike, and it was interesting to think that she has a history of affairs with key power players--that she's mixed the personal and the political before now.
With the flashes of Gaius and Six, again, I'm pretty sure the writers said they were meant to be real memories--and that was my interepretion of them, but I do like the reading whereby it could just be her subconscious working things out. I especially like that regardless, it's knowledge she can't really act on--it could be doubted.
And yes, I do love Baltar now. I've come full-circle with him (though the breakthrough with his character came later than this ep for me). I am looking forward to rewatching now that he is not just nails-on-a-chalkboard to me. Because he certainly is fascinating!
And isn't Baltar as president-in-waiting just the most terrifying possibility? Eeep!
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It's so interesting that those flashes ROslin got of Gaius/Six are real memories, since I had the sense that their romance was a lot more clandestine. (He didn't know she was a Cylon, but she was some sort of paid consultant for a computer firm that he was making government contracts with, right? I can't remember the details--clearly I should rewatch the miniseries!) I'm suprised he would risk being seen in public with her).
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Yeah, it was a very different spin on their relationship--to me it definitely gave the feel of them having had a crazy, out of control quality to their love, which I can buy, but yes, I'm also going to have to rewatch as I can't exactly remember her status either--that sounds right though.
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