God's judgment, in the Koran, falls upon those who knowingly and willfully do wrong. Arrogance, pride, thinking you know better, these are the big ticket items. I was interested to see that unlike Protestant Christianity where you must “accept Jeezus as yer LOARD an' Saveyer,” the Islamic view says if you repent and truly mean it, if you try your honest best and leave the rest up to God, that's good enough even if you don't get around to praying all five times each day and whatnot.
I look inside at the humility. That broken-open lowliness is the Reality, not the language! Forget phraseology.
Those who pay attention to ways of behaving and speaking are one sort. Lovers who burn are another…This is actually very comforting to someone like me
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No, i was not familiar with "Godspel," heard of it, of colurse but knew nothing about its content.
I really enjoyed and appreciated your take on the Koran. My own reading of English language interpretations of it were so depressing to me that reading it had the opposite of its desired effect. I know no Arabic
Re: سورة آل عمران bobby1933August 27 2015, 06:05:41 UTC
My impression from one reading of an English language interpretation of the Koran is that correct behavior follows correct belief. Christians, Jews. and especially "pagans" cammmpt be as reliably ethical as Muslims because they follow perverted interpretations of God's will. Most Muslims, or at least all i know do not act on this. But those who do ... well, they seem easily converted to violent manifestations of Islam. Now Christians were this way once, so the problem may not be so much religious as historical and socio-economic
I agree that the ethic of the Koran is probably closer to the ethic of Jesus than Christianity is, but Jesus did not foresee a political manifestation of his ethic, an enforcement of it by a state. Muhammed is thought to be greater than Jesus because he took on political responsibilities, but i disagree.
Re: سورة آل عمران baron_wasteAugust 27 2015, 06:44:33 UTC
Yah, I wouldn't agree with that either, because he claimed to be only speaking for another - and I have to wonder why that “other” felt that middleman to be necessary. “Dictation” my eye - just hand Muhammad the finished product already written, if you're legit. And this supposedly went on for years - did no one else in all that time ever witness this on-going divine visitation? Is there any corroboration for this bizarre claim? No.
- To which they would rightly reply that there's no historical evidence for the existence of Jesus, either; in theory he could have been cooked up among the Apostles, and this would explain the inconsistencies in the various Gospels
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God's judgment, in the Koran, falls upon those who knowingly and willfully do wrong. Arrogance, pride, thinking you know better, these are the big ticket items. I was interested to see that unlike Protestant Christianity where you must “accept Jeezus as yer LOARD an' Saveyer,” the Islamic view says if you repent and truly mean it, if you try your honest best and leave the rest up to God, that's good enough even if you don't get around to praying all five times each day and whatnot.
I look inside at the humility.
That broken-open lowliness is the Reality,
not the language! Forget phraseology.
Those who pay attention to ways of behaving
and speaking are one sort.
Lovers who burn are another…This is actually very comforting to someone like me ( ... )
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I really enjoyed and appreciated your take on the Koran. My own reading of English language interpretations of it were so depressing to me that reading it had the opposite of its desired effect. I know no Arabic
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This is one example; the Qur'an repeats itself obsessively, so this point is made elsewhere also:
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I agree that the ethic of the Koran is probably closer to the ethic of Jesus than Christianity is, but Jesus did not foresee a political manifestation of his ethic, an enforcement of it by a state. Muhammed is thought to be greater than Jesus because he took on political responsibilities, but i disagree.
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Yah, I wouldn't agree with that either, because he claimed to be only speaking for another - and I have to wonder why that “other” felt that middleman to be necessary. “Dictation” my eye - just hand Muhammad the finished product already written, if you're legit. And this supposedly went on for years - did no one else in all that time ever witness this on-going divine visitation? Is there any corroboration for this bizarre claim? No.
- To which they would rightly reply that there's no historical evidence for the existence of Jesus, either; in theory he could have been cooked up among the Apostles, and this would explain the inconsistencies in the various Gospels ( ... )
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