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Sep 25, 2005 03:04

While everyone is taking the time to explore themselves, I figure I'd go ahead and give it a shot. I think I pretty much have it figured out.

Hm. )

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e_burke September 25 2005, 09:01:06 UTC
Well, I do respect it, as you believe that way, but what I was saying is that I don't believe it at all. To me, atheism makes no sense, as the problems with Deism are all egotistical and childish. Everyone expects God to explain all this shit to them personally. An atheist cannot believe in the absence of a diety by looking at his fruits. That is not atheism, that is nonconformity. Every atheist I've ever met doesn't tell me that they are atheist for a good reason, but just that if there is a God, they don't like the way he's running things so he can't be real. That's why Atheism is rediculous to me ( ... )

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daterapestylee September 25 2005, 13:50:30 UTC
you dont talk to many athiests if thats the only thing they ever say. or you just talk to a bunch of dumb athiests.

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winteroffensive September 25 2005, 14:24:18 UTC
I don't believe in god because i just find it completely ridiculous to think that there exists an omnipotent being. I was raised christian and i tried really hard to keep believing it, but i couldn't. I think that god was created by people to explain the unexplainable, but as science developed, the need for using god to explain everything just sort of evaporated ( ... )

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e_burke September 25 2005, 17:51:23 UTC
Well, firstly thank you for being reasonable. It's nice of you to keep it cool ( ... )

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___takecontrol_ September 26 2005, 00:21:35 UTC
Ah god, I loved everything you said. Mind if I add?

I as well don't believe in God, I'm a high school kid. I'll go more in depth with my reasoning, much of which has been said, when I have more time. It's good that you said that "most" didnt have a clue, because I agree, have researched and have many of the same reasons for my lack of belief in an omnipotent being. I myself know the type of ignorant athiests that roam high schools. I have no respect for them.

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goodfucking_bye September 25 2005, 15:47:02 UTC
I belive that religion as chris said was needed when people couldn't explain natural wonders. They needed a reason for everything.The only reason i think that religion is still around today is 1.So that people have something to turn to in times they feel overwhelmed 2. To give them comfort of an afterlife 3. And it is so drilled into little kids minds that its a family trait.
I see religion as something people need to overcome to break the chains on their mind.

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blatantlysilent September 25 2005, 17:14:40 UTC
They were also horrified of dying. Every religion I can think of has an afterlife.

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goodfucking_bye September 25 2005, 17:40:32 UTC
2. To give them comfort of an afterlife

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blatantlysilent September 25 2005, 18:02:13 UTC
Oh, yeah, didn't read that far

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vund September 25 2005, 16:15:29 UTC
What I respect about atheists is that they've made up their mind and can explain what they believe. They can back it up with evidence. Theists cannot explain what they believe. They believe in a deity that was at one point in time, simply made up by someone, much like Jehovah's Witness, Buddhism, Islam, and pop music.

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blatantlysilent September 25 2005, 17:14:01 UTC
Hahaha. Pop music's not real.

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vund September 25 2005, 22:16:55 UTC
YOU CAN'T PROVE IT EXISTS!

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___takecontrol_ September 26 2005, 00:23:23 UTC
that's incredibly interesting.

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blatantlysilent September 25 2005, 16:47:22 UTC
Well, there are a whole list of philosophical reasons I don't believe in God, but I also think that it is a fine question to ask..."If the Christian God is all-good and omnipotent, why is the world not all-good? How is it that a perfect being would create an imperfect man, unless he does so on purpose--and if he does so on purpose, how is it that we can be punishable if we were made inherently imperfect?"

What I'm getting at is this--yes, it is childish just to ask "Oh why oh why, God?" and then conclude that since there is suffering, God does not exist. That's not the process I used at all. I would like to point out, though, that it is equally childish to answer that question with "God works in mysterious ways" or something along those lines, because that's just an admittance that you really don't know your god's nature.

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e_burke September 25 2005, 18:17:40 UTC
We are imperfect, but he doesn't punish us--we choose where we want to go. See, some people believe that Hell isn't that bad. All Hell is is a place where God is NOT. Which is terrible beyond belief--to know that there is this amazing heaven, and you chose not to go there. But nobody is punished for doing things, we are given a set of rules, by which we can choose our destiny. If you do something wrong, but are remoseful of your actions, then God forgives you. It's not like "Oh, you just fucked up bad. Hell for you ( ... )

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blatantlysilent September 25 2005, 18:38:19 UTC
...and I think the search for truth begins with abandoning faith.

You say "All Hell is is a place where God is not."
I don't think that place would be any different from this one. And your take on punishment isn't, as far as I know, really compatible with the biblical God. In the bible, as far as I can tell, it is punishment.

Religion, to me, just doesn't seem like it has any real relevance anymore. And that's not the only logical problem I had with God, there are a whole lot more. The whole incomprehensible nature thing, also...I'm not going to sit here and type all of these out, but we should talk about it sometime.

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