Fanon and an actual mature request

Mar 02, 2010 14:08

-- I know there are, like, a billion things that Kirk/Spock writers regard as fanon that has no canon basis, but my current confusion is in regard to Jim being allergic to everything. The only two real pieces of canon in which it explicitly states that Kirk has an allergic reaction is in Wrath of Khan with Kirk being allergic to the stuff that will ( Read more... )

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sineala March 2 2010, 22:16:14 UTC
Man, I hope someone explains the Vulcan + chocolate thing. Do not get it.

Books: Have you read E.M. Forster's Maurice? He was gay, and it's, um, kind of semi-autobiographical, and it was only published after his death because he refused to write a sad ending. So it has a happy ending. For a gay couple. In 1913. It's totally made of awesome. And it reads as heartbreakingly real and alive, at least to me. (Plus, it is Real Literature.)

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bigmamag March 2 2010, 22:24:37 UTC
I know, right? I really would like to know how that even came to be. I really wish I had saved that older fic about Spock getting drunk on sugar, it was fascinating and may have been a precursor or something. I believe in TOS Spock mentioned that alcohol had no effect on Vulcans, or something to that nature, so I guess fandom just wants to get the guy drunk on his ass some other way. :)

Now that sounds like a book that's right up my alley. Real literature and real homosexual, ftw. \o/

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sineala March 3 2010, 04:01:36 UTC
The only thing I can think of about TOS and alcohol goes in the opposite direction -- in Diane Duane's novels (which are not canon but might as well be in the hearts of fans, like, um, me) the discussion of Romulan ale in The Romulan Way mentions that pre-Surak Vulcans had also made wine. Presumably they were drinking it.

Maurice is probably my number one favorite piece of gay male literature. It's just so incredibly immediate and vibrant and I am really glad it has that happy ending. (Also there is a movie of it. Hugh Grant plays Maurice's closeted school friend. They have an angsty relationship for a bit.)

...when you say science fiction, do you mean SF and fantasy, or just the kind with spaceships?

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bigmamag March 3 2010, 04:43:08 UTC
When I say science fiction, I mean just plain old space ships and time travel and stuff like that. Fantasy, to me, is a separate genre, though really they're not since they often coexist in a work of fiction, plus libraries disagree. :)

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sineala March 5 2010, 16:38:35 UTC
Ah. I have been thinking, then, and have figured that if you like the crazy alternate-history genre, you need to read Phillip K. Dick's The Man in the High Castle. Because it is awesome. Sadly, there is no gay in it, but still.

Seconding the recs below for Swordspoint, the Nightrunner series (which is, okay, a little silly at times), and Vorkosigan. I would also add to that Melissa Scott and Lisa Barnett's Points series (two books), which, though they are fantasy (and, I mean, so's Swordspoint and Nightrunner) are really really awesome fantasy novels with gay main characters. (The main characters are clearly Bodie and Doyle from The Professionals.) Let me know if you, ahem, need help finding copies.

(Also, the premature babies = allergies thing is apparently untrue, to the best of modern knowledge, at least for food allergies. Sez google. My brother and I were both over three months premature and have no wacky allergies. Brain damage yes, allergies no.)

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