ATTF: Black Widow and/or Hawkeye -- Soon to be a Major Motion Picture!

[alphaflyer]

You've heard the rumours, including right here in this lovely bar.  Clicked on and squeed over the articles:  Rumours of a Black Widow solo film!  And ... will there be Hawkeye movie, too

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[morrighangw]

TOO BUSY FLAILING.

[hufflepuffsneak]

I had a long chat with franztastisch about this! After thinking about it, I don't want an origin movie, because I think that ship has sailed and the momentum of the universe should always be moving forward. I want a movie that grounds us in Earth with Natasha as the sole lead, and lots of other people showing up in support

[alphaflyer]

I like #2 and #3! And maybe have her having a learning curve in there as well, about how that ledger she keeps being on about isn't just "hers" but is the result of what was done to her, and that she can finally accept being one of the Good Guys.

[hufflepuffsneak]

Yes, I think it would be interesting character development if she can let go of her guilt. In some ways guilt is a selfish emotion, even if you use it to motivate yourself to do greater good, you're making it all about you.

And Natasha will never be a simple Good Guy, which is one of the reasons I love her :) But I can see her accepting that she's on the right team and that she's making the right judgements despite occasional mistakes (especially after going up against S.H.I.E.L.D. with Cap).

[happilydancing]

Oooh, I love this. Yes, catharsis. I would be all over that.

Although lets be honest, I'd be all over it no matter what. ;)

[hufflepuffsneak]

As for a Hawkeye solo movie, I only want one after Natasha has at least two, so in the distant future. I think it would be really cool if the movie involved the transition of Clint Barton being the primary Hawkeye to Kate Bishop being the primary Hawkeye via buddy cop adventure. She's a young hotshot, S.H.I.E.L.D. agent or not, he's old and grumbly, but still badass, and together they fight crime! Again, what I love with human heroes is the chance to show the value of human hard work and human resilience.

[alphaflyer]

We may have to agree to respectfully disagree a bit on this one ...

I know you're a bit tired of Clint, which is fair enough. But I'm not! :-) So... :

I wouldn't want to wait for two BW Widow movies before getting a Hawkeye one, given they take 3-4 years in between and Jeremy Renner (whom I adore) isn't getting any younger! Also, while I wouldn't mind a Kate Bishop mentoring angle, I still have instinctive issues around that whole "two Hawkeyes" concept (no matter how much I like the Fraction series as such) and so, having her as the PRIMARY Hawkeye?? Emmm ... no. Can't go there! Sorry ...

[hufflepuffsneak]

But what if it ended with Clint retiring (mostly) into a happy life? He can't be Hawkeye forever.

[alphaflyer]

Oh yes, he can! :-) He's already been Hawkeye for 40+ years ... what's a couple decades more?? Plus there's rejuvenation potions, age regression (within reasonable limits) and just that general time?-what-time thing they have going in the comics!

It's Jeremy Renner I'm worried about, not Hawkeye, so I'd like him in a Big Movie before he gets too old to swing on a rope (remember Indiana Jones 4? Ugh.) But if we were to let reality intrude into our appreciation of comic book characters, even the mere human ones, where would we be?

[happilydancing]

Ok, I'm just going to say it. I want a Black Widow/Hawkeye movie. I know I should just want a Black Widow movie b/c then we would have a solo female superhero film, but...I want Black Widow/Hawkeye. So there :P

I think maybe they could have flashbacks as kids (so different actors obviously) b/c these to have very unique childhoods. And very different from each other as well.

As far a solo solo Black Widow movie...I just want a bad-ass spy movie with lots of personal development. And no Bucky romance please. ;)

[alphaflyer]

I can subscribe to all of that, actually!

[spyforaday]

I'm good with a BW/Hawkeye movie, too. At the very least, I think they could totally pull off a Marvel short. Granted, the actor salaries alone probably make that near impossible. But, I can't imagine Ben Kingsley was cheap for his upcoming Mandarin short on Thor 2's DVD. So, maybe there's hope! :)

[anuna_81]

I'd watch that!

[spyforaday]

While it's not very detailed, here's a thought that's been swirling around the many empty areas of my brain

[happilydancing]

Oooh, this is fascinating! Would love something like this.

Question though...you mentioned she is going to be the big disapointment...I hadn't heard that! Was this from an interview?

[anuna_81]

Well I kinda gathered that from bits Feige had said in various interviews - MCU will change after the end of Cap2, we'll see where Natasha's loyalties really are etc. If he said something more straightforward in the meantime and I failed to catch it, I'm not really surprised. Whichever the case, I think we're looking at lots of fun movie - times. :)

[happilydancing]

Ah okay...I think I did read something like this. And also how Avengers 2 will explore more the fact that she is a spy vs a superhero type of thing.

In that one scene of the CA2 trailer where Steve grabbed her he didn't seem at all happy with her...I'm assuming she was being extra vague about Bucky right before that and Steve didn't appreciate it.