While watching it live, I thought the first half of Season 7 was frustratingly subtle (though nothing in comparison to the second half), but this time around in the rewatch the first part of Season 7 seemed massively clear to the point of jumping out and screaming at you (a) how obviously not into their relationships both Robin and Barney are, (b) how Robin and Barney are still clearly into each other, and (c) what a manipulative creep Kevin is.
To touch on it a little from Robin’s side, all of those issues she and Kevin talk about in therapy make it very clear that Robin is trying to prove a point with Kevin just as much as Barney is with Nora. By making Kevin her boyfriend, Robin wants to prove that she is lovable and that not every guy will reject her. There is also the element of what she calls (again from their therapy sessions, making it so creepy) “looking for reasons not to be happy”. She tries to date Kevin but she knows she’s still in love with Barney, yet she considers that love hopeless (and Barney dating another woman
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On Barney’s side it’s all there too. He doesn’t think of Robin as a possibility because to his mind she’s made it clear she’s not interested and it would be “a mistake”. So unless he wants to be alone, sleeping around forever, he has no choice but to move on with Nora, much like he’ll later do with Quinn. Only with Quinn, she was a distraction and a consolation prize as well, because by that point he actually had tried with Robin and she rejected him so he’d given up all hope. But at this point, with Nora, Barney doesn’t believe that all hope is exhausted with Robin, which is why I think there’s another element to what he’s doing with Nora too. He’s not just out to prove to himself that he can be a good boyfriend. He’s also trying to prove that to Robin so she will want to try again with him. And his choice to date an over-the-top, goody-goody woman with very strict standards plays into that all the more. If someone like Nora thinks he’s a good boyfriend, than any woman would - Robin included. We know Barney thinks
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Talking about "Disaster Averted", the moment where the gang find out that Barney's gonna meet Nora's parents says it all about how Robin's feeling about Barney and how she's so not over him: during the whole Kevin's "you're gonna meet Nora's parents tomorrow!" and Barney's "wrong, it's in two days..." Robin's face is clearly upset. She's speechless and almost worried about that. It's like the fact that he's gonna meet the PARENTS of his girlfriend, is the clear proof that their relationship gettin' pretty serious and it hurts her
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I noticed this time around how much I really resent Nora. It’s not that I have any problem with her as a person (other than the fact that she’s incredibly one-dimensional) the way I do with Kevin or even Quinn. On her own, Nora’s alright if a bit too sickeningly-sweet for my taste. But I agree with James in that I just don’t like that woman with Barney! I don’t care for the way she treats him and I don’t at all get the impression that she even really likes him.
First there are the aspects that James calls motherly but I would call patronizing. How she tells him in 7.04 that before she wouldn’t have trusted to leave him alone but now he’s made such progress in his behavior that it will be a whole new level when she gets back, and all the “dear sweet boy” and she’s going to give him “a treat” after he performs his ice skating task with her. It’s all so very condescending, like a mother to a child, yes, but even more so like a teacher to a problem student.
And she’s constantly trying to change him. Not just that she doesn’t
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i think that during his relationship with Robin,Kevin knew about Robin's lingering feelings for Barney.But Kevin is an intelligent person,and he tried to be comprensive,hoping that one day,Robin will forgive her feelings for Barney..he thought that Robin was a special girl,and he tried all the possible to be with her,but then he failed,not only for Robin's love for Barney,but also because he and Robin were too different. About Nora,i agree with you about the fact that she and Barney were a horrible couple,but i really think she is an awesome girl,Nazanin is beautiful(maybe the most attractive actress of the entire cast) and Nora is really sweet,i totally think she would be perfect with Ted,was a shame that she was with Barney,who didn't deserve a girl like her..anyway,so many women in real life tries to do what Nora did,trying to change men that never will change ^^
was a shame that she was with Barney,who didn't deserve a girl like her..anyway,so many women in real life tries to do what Nora did,trying to change men that never will change
That wasn't the point of my comment though. I'm not at all saying that Barney didn't deserve such a wonderful girl as Nora (because only Ted's infinite heroic-ness could). I'm saying that Barney didn't deserve to get treated in the disrespectful manner that Nora treats him. I don't see her as a great prize. I see her as being in the wrong.
It's not about women trying to change men who will never change. It's about if you don't want that kind of guy then don't date him to begin with instead of crying and complaining afterwards because he didn't become what you wanted him to and you got hurt as a result. No man should ever have to become what you want, and that's what Nora tried to do with Barney from the very beginning.
why you guys are always on the defenisive?? i never said that Barney is a monster ecc. i only said that he treated her so bad,and he cheated on her,for this reason he didn't deserve her,and yes,i think she is awesome,i would choose every time Nora and not Robin,but this is only my opinion,that doesn't mean that Barney is "wrong" or stuff like this..he prefers Robin,that's all
Well you specifically said Barney doesn't deserve a girl as wonderful as Nora. That is a direct attack against his character. You clearly don't seem to like him, and I'm just stating that I don't agree with that opinion
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i'm sorry i don't have a perfect english but i never wanted to say that Barney was a monster,i only said that with Nora he was horrible,because simply they weren't good together,but i don't think we have to hate Nora for this,i don't agree with your opinion that she was bad with him...she rejected him so many times,but then she saw his determination to be with her..so,at the end she decided to give Barney a chance..went badly,for so many reasons,but i don't think Nora did something bad toward Barney...and he wasn't a terrible boyfriend after all,but simply he wasn't happy with Nora -secondly,i never said that Barney and Robin are a horrible couple,or said that i hate them..i simply have a major vision of the show,i don't see only Barney and Robin's point of wiew,i try to understand and enjoy all the characters of the show,and i really think this is the only good website about how i met your mother in all the web,maybe only this and the "how i met your mother wiki"
Okay, maybe it's just a translation thing then because it came off (to me anyway) as if you've been saying you hate Barney and you hate Robin, and of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion but that's why I couldn't understand coming to a B/R fansite.
i simply don't understand why we should hate or demonize some characters only because they are outside love interests..i don't think that this is the meaning of the shipping...the story doesn't told us that Kevin or Nora was bad people,the story show us them like people who tried to stay with Barney and Robin,but their relationship failed,that's all,but everytime i see shippers who litterally hates the other characters outside Barney and Robin..Marshall and Lily are boring,Ted is the devil,Quinn is a bitch,Nora is a bad person,Kevin is a manipulative etc. i don't hate none of the Himym's characters,because is a sitcom and none of the characters doing devilish thing or similar..i feel like some people demonize all the things are not Barney and Robin related..but this is not the meaning of the shipping
so only because i don't do this,i should be a Barney-Robin's hater? absoultely not! i respect Barney-Robin,only because i don't idealize them that doesn't mean that i'm a hater,or a troll,or whatever
I think maybe there's a language barrier here, but apart from Kevin, I don't think that anyone thinks the other characters are "bad people" just because they're outside love interests. Sometimes you can dislike "good" character and like "bad" characters (or simply dislike certain actions by characters and not hate the character himself or herself). That's why it's TV and not real life
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I think you're overgeneralizing in an unfair way (maybe it's a translation thing, I don't know). You can be a B/R shipper and dislike some of the outside love interest characters. There's nothing wrong with that. That's perfectly acceptable, as is being a B/R shipper and still liking the outside love interests. Everyone is free to have their own opinion. But it's an unfair attack to say that just because someone dislikes certain characters means they only feel that way because of their sheer existence as outside love interests. I think most people realize outside love interests have a place in writing (anyone who's ever watched a soap opera knows that!) and often bringing on an outside love interest means the heating up of the original pair and leads to them getting back together. When I first watched "Desperation Day" live, I didn't have a problem with them bringing on Nora. Ultimately I still wanted B/R to be together of course, but I knew it was too soon for that so I didn't see an issue with developing Barney's character a
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Well, i don't think i've ever read Marshall and Lily are boring or that Ted is the devil or Quinn is a bitch etc. There are just opinions about how a certain character acts and what he/she does in the show. There are moments where i loved Ted, for example, but there are also moments where i literally can't stand him but that's not means that i love B/R and hate everyone else, because i found myself also mad at Barney and Robin as individual characters for some choice they've made. Same for Marshall, Lily, and every character that was in the show.
I don't know why it would be so bad having an antipathy for a character, btw. I've watched many tv series in my life and it happened that i found a specific character not funny, or interesting, or something like that. It's not a fault.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure everybody on this site loves the show in its whole and not just Barney and Robin.
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To touch on it a little from Robin’s side, all of those issues she and Kevin talk about in therapy make it very clear that Robin is trying to prove a point with Kevin just as much as Barney is with Nora. By making Kevin her boyfriend, Robin wants to prove that she is lovable and that not every guy will reject her. There is also the element of what she calls (again from their therapy sessions, making it so creepy) “looking for reasons not to be happy”. She tries to date Kevin but she knows she’s still in love with Barney, yet she considers that love hopeless (and Barney dating another woman ( ... )
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On Barney’s side it’s all there too. He doesn’t think of Robin as a possibility because to his mind she’s made it clear she’s not interested and it would be “a mistake”. So unless he wants to be alone, sleeping around forever, he has no choice but to move on with Nora, much like he’ll later do with Quinn. Only with Quinn, she was a distraction and a consolation prize as well, because by that point he actually had tried with Robin and she rejected him so he’d given up all hope. But at this point, with Nora, Barney doesn’t believe that all hope is exhausted with Robin, which is why I think there’s another element to what he’s doing with Nora too. He’s not just out to prove to himself that he can be a good boyfriend. He’s also trying to prove that to Robin so she will want to try again with him. And his choice to date an over-the-top, goody-goody woman with very strict standards plays into that all the more. If someone like Nora thinks he’s a good boyfriend, than any woman would - Robin included. We know Barney thinks ( ... )
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First there are the aspects that James calls motherly but I would call patronizing. How she tells him in 7.04 that before she wouldn’t have trusted to leave him alone but now he’s made such progress in his behavior that it will be a whole new level when she gets back, and all the “dear sweet boy” and she’s going to give him “a treat” after he performs his ice skating task with her. It’s all so very condescending, like a mother to a child, yes, but even more so like a teacher to a problem student.
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About Nora,i agree with you about the fact that she and Barney were a horrible couple,but i really think she is an awesome girl,Nazanin is beautiful(maybe the most attractive actress of the entire cast) and Nora is really sweet,i totally think she would be perfect with Ted,was a shame that she was with Barney,who didn't deserve a girl like her..anyway,so many women in real life tries to do what Nora did,trying to change men that never will change ^^
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That wasn't the point of my comment though. I'm not at all saying that Barney didn't deserve such a wonderful girl as Nora (because only Ted's infinite heroic-ness could). I'm saying that Barney didn't deserve to get treated in the disrespectful manner that Nora treats him. I don't see her as a great prize. I see her as being in the wrong.
It's not about women trying to change men who will never change. It's about if you don't want that kind of guy then don't date him to begin with instead of crying and complaining afterwards because he didn't become what you wanted him to and you got hurt as a result. No man should ever have to become what you want, and that's what Nora tried to do with Barney from the very beginning.
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-secondly,i never said that Barney and Robin are a horrible couple,or said that i hate them..i simply have a major vision of the show,i don't see only Barney and Robin's point of wiew,i try to understand and enjoy all the characters of the show,and i really think this is the only good website about how i met your mother in all the web,maybe only this and the "how i met your mother wiki"
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There are moments where i loved Ted, for example, but there are also moments where i literally can't stand him but that's not means that i love B/R and hate everyone else, because i found myself also mad at Barney and Robin as individual characters for some choice they've made. Same for Marshall, Lily, and every character that was in the show.
I don't know why it would be so bad having an antipathy for a character, btw. I've watched many tv series in my life and it happened that i found a specific character not funny, or interesting, or something like that. It's not a fault.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure everybody on this site loves the show in its whole and not just Barney and Robin.
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