So...random stuff.

[badboy_fangirl]

[+] I like to go to tumblr and put in my favorite tags and just scroll...so I put in "Bethyl" which is the name squish for The Walking Dead characters Beth and Daryl, and this picture came up:

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[upupa_epops]

LOL at tumblr. I'm glad you find gems like this

[fluffyfrolicker]

I love you.

As you were.

[badboy_fangirl]

Well, in the book, it's clear IN THE MOMENT that Scarlett, while frightened at first, is swept up with his emotion--because it's from her POV, and she clearly moves from scared to excited as she feels his trembling. She actually glories in the idea of someone being stronger than her and finally breaking her because she has for so long run roughshod over everyone in her life, including Rhett

[upupa_epops]

Well, in the book, it's clear IN THE MOMENT that Scarlett, while frightened at first, is swept up with his emotion--because it's from her POV, and she clearly moves from scared to excited as she feels his trembling. She actually glories in the idea of someone being stronger than her and finally breaking her because she has for so long run roughshod over everyone in her life, including Rhett.

This is pretty much the definition of rape fantasy, I'd say? Rape fantasy is all about being overpowered by a man whom we magically start liking during the act (well, Scarlett does like Rhett in general, but she very much doesn't want to have sex with him at that moment). It's re-framing sexual violation as an act of extreme passion, and fantasizing about it. If you want, I can find the relevant passage in the book I mentioned, and email it to you? I have this book in pdf format :).

On the other hand, I read one novel where after the main characters are married they begin to have relationship problems. His mother abandoned him when he was young

hey

[ext_1731041]

Rhett kind of reminds me of Damon from VD. Katherine is obviously very scarlett ;) My parents loved this movie. My younger sister is named Scarlett and I have a cousin named after Melanie. And I guess you could say i always kind of identified with life in the old south in the novel. I'm from India but the place i live in used to be a Portuguese colony. Land and community are a big deal here.

Re: hey

[badboy_fangirl]

Did you ever read my fic Literary License? I make many literary references in it and Damon has an affinity for Rhett for many reasons. So, yes. :D

Re: hey

[ext_1731041]

yes i have!! :) omg I don't know how i forgot about that one!!

[badboy_fangirl]

See, it's always bothered me how they "watered" down Rhett for the movie. I like how black-hearted he is. But I tend to like my black-hearted heroes, whose only redeeming quality is their love of a good woman. Of course, Scarlett wasn't necessarily a good woman, so...

So in my opinion, you can argue that he was being abusive, a brute and all that, but I think calling it “rape” is taking it way too far.
That's my initial reaction, too, now that I'm thinking of it more in depth, but I also think the movie scene is less clear, but when I was watching the movie, it was with having already read the book, so I knew what Scarlett's mindset was so it didn't bother me.

[badboy_fangirl]

Rhett has extra redeeming qualities. He buys Melanie's ring back for her, and he saves Ashley from the KKK, and he takes care of Belle's boy.

He just has no romanticism about the South or the Cause or Scarlett. He sees them all for what they are and he will tell you to your face.

See, now I want to write an essay about why Rhett Butler is awesome...

ovie make it pretty clear that SHE didn't feel like it was rape and that's the key piece of evidence for me.
Yes, but in my old age, I've gotten more interested in what message literature sends even if that's not what they meant. Like, the Twilight books. Don't even get me started. LOL. But I love GWTW and I can never see that scene as rape, though I do understand now why others would see it that way.

[clair_de_lune]

My younger self didn't see it as rape because back then I saw it as, let's say, an outburst of passion. My older self certainly did/does see it as rape, for the reasons upupa_epops mentioned

[iwouldbegood]

Sooo glad to hear you're so happy with your new job! Sounds absolutely awesome! :D

Have I told you I'm currently watching The Walking Dead? Passed the point where I stopped the first time (3.08) and it's so intense! There were no new episodes over the weekend, and I can not wait for tomorrow morning to watch the new one I'm gonna record tonight! Eep!

[badboy_fangirl]

Is 3x08 when Lori has the baby? Remind me where in the story you are?

[iwouldbegood]

It was the one right before the mid-season break, when Glenn and Maggie are in Woodbury and our group goes to rescue them. Merle and Daryl meet again, captured in the arena. Michonne kills Penny. And we also meet Tyreese and the rest of his group.

The last one I actually watched (just finished it now) was 3.14, where Andrea escapes Woodbury and the Governor goes after her. We don't get to see the group in the prison at all (just Rick from the tower when Andrea almost reaches the prison, before the Governor finds her and captures her) and most of the episode is about his hunt after her. And in Woodbury, Tyreese and his group become suspicious, and someone burns the walkers the Governor keeps in some sort of a pit and a truck.

ETA: Lori is long dead. According to imdb, she died in 3.04. Rick has been seeing her, but seems to have calmed down a bit lately (or come to terms with his visions?)

[badboy_fangirl]

Oh, right--I forgot how early in the season Lori died, but I didn't want to accidentally spoil you, so that's why I phrased it that way. There are a lot of emotionally devastating scenes and episodes, but Lori's actual death was the hardest for me. Cried so hard, for Maggie, for Carl, for Lori, and then for Rick when he hears the baby cry for the first time--just ugh. Andrew Lincoln DESTROYED ME.

The episode where the Governor is chasing Andrea is VERY intense. I remember feeling that was more like a horror movie than any previous episode. The last two eps of S3 are pretty heavy, but I really can't wait for you to get to S4! It's definitely been my favorite so far!