VVC vid recs part 1

[aycheb]

So Vividcon has happened. I haven’t watched ALL THE VIDS or even downloaded them but there is one I’d like to talk about.

On the Prowl by sisabet and sweetestdrain

Comments

[bradcpu]

A man in pain is a hero, a martyr, someone other men look up to and women wish they could comfort
That is definitely not the impression I got from this vid, considering the way it was constructed and by whom. Are all tv/film creators male? More importantly, I think the key factor here is that this was female vidders' presentation of the footage as a "self portrait" (to a female singer's voice).

[aycheb]

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the TV/film creators and maybe more importantly the executives influencing what gets made are men who think their job is to sell action/genre shows to young male audiences. However, I absolutely agree that that's not what this vid was about. This was a vid being critical about its makers more than its source. But beautiful men in pain is not my particular kink and my brain goes to its medical place at the first sight of blood. This was a vid that made me more thinky than feely and my thinky has a tendency to head off down sidetracks. The vid isn't about the source but it made me wonder why the source was made (as opposed to what fandom might make of it). Why are there so many action movies where men get beaten up and tortured? What do male viewers get out of watching that?

[thuviaptarth]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118011500.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

72% of Hollywood screenwriters are male, which is honestly a little lower than I remembered. I suspect it is higher for action/genre than in general.

I am thinking a bit about the framing of male torture vs. female torture, and how unusual SCC was in treating Sarah's pain as something to be endured rather than something to be sexualized.

[aycheb]

I thought about Sarah too. Giandujakiss made a good point about the men in Prowl being protagonists but that alone wasn't sufficient to save Echo from being shot like a scared piece of meat in Target. It strikes me that in so many of the Prowl scenes the torture or the beating is part of some epic battle of wills between hero and villian (or the hero crucifying himself). In The Good Wound Sarah's enemy was less personal - her body's weakness. Also the person with her wasn't an enemy but another woman who recognised Sarah's pain and her strength because it was already familiar as something ordinary women do - the show universalised Sarah's heroism instead of making it exceptional

[londonkds]

What makes Patrick Troughton distinctive as a Doctor in Doctor Who is the frequency with which he shows overt fear of the monsters/enemies he faces. There isn't much physical torture of him, though. The only such scene I can think of, in "The Two Doctors", turns out to be a fake hologram that was not a recording of an actual event.

[aycheb]

Troughton was before my time but that sounds really cool (and brave). One of the things that feels off for me about Ten and Eleven is that even the scariest scary things are supposed to be afraid of them and never the other way round. I mean you can make it make sense (he's lived so much more and done so much more) but it makes him less interesting (to me).

[londonkds]

Oh yeah, he gets tortured in The Dominators, and it's particularly nasty because he knows how to stop it but he has to keep pretending to be too stupid to work it out.