VVC vid recs part 1

[aycheb]

So Vividcon has happened. I haven’t watched ALL THE VIDS or even downloaded them but there is one I’d like to talk about.

On the Prowl by sisabet and sweetestdrain

Comments

[aycheb]

I thought about Sarah too. Giandujakiss made a good point about the men in Prowl being protagonists but that alone wasn't sufficient to save Echo from being shot like a scared piece of meat in Target. It strikes me that in so many of the Prowl scenes the torture or the beating is part of some epic battle of wills between hero and villian (or the hero crucifying himself). In The Good Wound Sarah's enemy was less personal - her body's weakness. Also the person with her wasn't an enemy but another woman who recognised Sarah's pain and her strength because it was already familiar as something ordinary women do - the show universalised Sarah's heroism instead of making it exceptional.

I'm trying to think of women being tortured scenes (don't watch enough TV or the right kind of movies) but I'd guess that it's much rarer for male heroes to show the same kind of abject fear that even the Sarah Connors and the Ripleys are frequently depicted feeling. The one counter image that comes to mind is Jimmy Stewart at the beginning of Vertigo (but like say, I don't watch enough of all the things).

[londonkds]

What makes Patrick Troughton distinctive as a Doctor in Doctor Who is the frequency with which he shows overt fear of the monsters/enemies he faces. There isn't much physical torture of him, though. The only such scene I can think of, in "The Two Doctors", turns out to be a fake hologram that was not a recording of an actual event.

[aycheb]

Troughton was before my time but that sounds really cool (and brave). One of the things that feels off for me about Ten and Eleven is that even the scariest scary things are supposed to be afraid of them and never the other way round. I mean you can make it make sense (he's lived so much more and done so much more) but it makes him less interesting (to me).

[londonkds]

Oh yeah, he gets tortured in The Dominators, and it's particularly nasty because he knows how to stop it but he has to keep pretending to be too stupid to work it out.