While the episode is still fresh in my mind, I wanted to expound upon that which I enjoyed and did not care for as to this Victorian interpretation
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Stay on the soapbox ALL YOU WANT. Won't hear any complaints from me.
Personally, I think you hit the target in the center of the bullseye with the "needy co-dependency" comment. That is it, exactly with BBC Sherlock & John. It was, I must admit, very much toned down here than compared to series three, where their friendship was literally reduced to nothing but that co-dependency of two very disturbed individuals. If the special had been that bad, I would have thrown up my hands in disgust, but while there were instances of OOCness, at least it wasn't so overpowering anymore.
Watson would never have been a jerk to a servant, because it simply wasn't done.Not only did they blast away Victorian ideals, that particular scene was done 100% purposefully to prove how wretched "heteronormative" men are, and how they deserved what they had coming. Because there was a whole deranged sub-plot surrounding a secret society of murderous suffragettes :/ Basically, women who were frustrated with their social status started killing their husbands
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As always, I agree with you on everything :) The suffragette plot was just. So. Not okay. The only thing that would have made it worse was if Irene Adler was their leader or something. I mean, she was equally "wronged" by the King who promised her marriage just before ASIB. So when Sherlock made his dramatic speech in front of them, I definitely expected he would have to confront her again. Phew. At least we escaped that. I really feel like we dodged a bullet.
Why, hallo thar! Its been soooo long since I've seen you around fandom (although I took an extended hiatus myself) and was all sorts of excited to see you around again :D
You know, I was dreading that excuse for Adler would make a cameo in this, so understand your relief perfectly. Don't get me started on Sherlock's "holier-than-thou" speech. I literally had to leave the room to microwave a noisy bag of popcorn just to drown out the words giving me a very slimy sensation down my spine. It was possibly the most backhandedly misogynistic thing I've ever heard. Women are so emotionally unstable they just start an organized killing spree because a certain situation isn't fair. You can almost hear their feet stomping petulantly. Screw you both, Moftiss >:|
Hello! I don't mean to intrude on your journal since you obviously have no idea who I am. I'll beg your pardon in advance for that. But I saw your posts on the BBC Sherlock comm, which assured me I wasn't hallucinating what I took from the suffragette bit. Stupidly, I assumed most people would be outraged at the implications, but no. All quiet on the Western Front. Which speaks volumes, if you ask me.
The episode itself I was pleasantly surprised by. It reminded me why I once thought Benedict and Martin were among the greatest actors to play our beloved Baker Street bachelors, and I'm excited now for season 4 to come along.
Just can't seem to get past that horrible murderous league of disgruntled women twist. And don't care to continue watching, not because of the "blips" in script writing/plotting we often see, but for the reason I'd rather not fill my mind with such base subtextual concepts the writers enjoy slipping in. Too bad, because I still love that show very badly.
No begging of pardons is necessary - you are very welcome here and I always appreciate hearing others' opinions, whether they conflict or align with my own.
I assumed most people would be outraged at the implications, but no. All quiet on the Western Front.Ah. I shared your bewilderment until it finally dawned on my why there has been nearly nil by way of female outrage. I will keep my mouth firmly shut, but if you are interested hearing the subject of my epiphany, as it were, on the matter, please feel free to send a PM
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I've just been reading an analysis that claimed the suffragette stuff, indeed the whole show, with the bride(s) murdering people storyline was actually Gatiss's answer to those who called him a misogynist; it was totally feminist, see, "because it gave women the strong roles they lacked in ACD's writing".
That. Is highly believable. Because I am sorry, but whilst Moffat is more often accused of misogyny (which I won't deny), Gatiss has proven himself the worst offender by far. Something I find telling is how adamantly the one denies the accusations, whilst the other is famous for blowing them off without a word of explanation. A bit of arrogance, yes, and ASiB was shudder worthy - though more along the lines of immature and male fantasy-esque than actual hatred for women. But wisdom can oft be found in the Bard's own words, thus, methinks the boy doth protest too much
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I just finished watching it, going in well-prepared with about as much apathy as I watch an episode of Jeopardy, and had exactly the same reactions, favorable and unfavorable. Perfectly said. *thumbs up*
I never imagined 'apathy' could be a sufficient adjective to describe any of our feelings towards that series, but it fits perfectly now, doesn't it :(
Also, welcome to the club of us old-fashioned eccentrics who believe murder just isn't a very nice thing to do.
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Personally, I think you hit the target in the center of the bullseye with the "needy co-dependency" comment. That is it, exactly with BBC Sherlock & John. It was, I must admit, very much toned down here than compared to series three, where their friendship was literally reduced to nothing but that co-dependency of two very disturbed individuals. If the special had been that bad, I would have thrown up my hands in disgust, but while there were instances of OOCness, at least it wasn't so overpowering anymore.
Watson would never have been a jerk to a servant, because it simply wasn't done.Not only did they blast away Victorian ideals, that particular scene was done 100% purposefully to prove how wretched "heteronormative" men are, and how they deserved what they had coming. Because there was a whole deranged sub-plot surrounding a secret society of murderous suffragettes :/ Basically, women who were frustrated with their social status started killing their husbands ( ... )
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The suffragette plot was just. So. Not okay. The only thing that would have made it worse was if Irene Adler was their leader or something. I mean, she was equally "wronged" by the King who promised her marriage just before ASIB. So when Sherlock made his dramatic speech in front of them, I definitely expected he would have to confront her again. Phew. At least we escaped that. I really feel like we dodged a bullet.
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You know, I was dreading that excuse for Adler would make a cameo in this, so understand your relief perfectly. Don't get me started on Sherlock's "holier-than-thou" speech. I literally had to leave the room to microwave a noisy bag of popcorn just to drown out the words giving me a very slimy sensation down my spine. It was possibly the most backhandedly misogynistic thing I've ever heard. Women are so emotionally unstable they just start an organized killing spree because a certain situation isn't fair. You can almost hear their feet stomping petulantly. Screw you both, Moftiss >:|
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The episode itself I was pleasantly surprised by. It reminded me why I once thought Benedict and Martin were among the greatest actors to play our beloved Baker Street bachelors, and I'm excited now for season 4 to come along.
Just can't seem to get past that horrible murderous league of disgruntled women twist. And don't care to continue watching, not because of the "blips" in script writing/plotting we often see, but for the reason I'd rather not fill my mind with such base subtextual concepts the writers enjoy slipping in. Too bad, because I still love that show very badly.
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I assumed most people would be outraged at the implications, but no. All quiet on the Western Front.Ah. I shared your bewilderment until it finally dawned on my why there has been nearly nil by way of female outrage. I will keep my mouth firmly shut, but if you are interested hearing the subject of my epiphany, as it were, on the matter, please feel free to send a PM ( ... )
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Um...can we miss the point any worse than that?
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I just finished watching it, going in well-prepared with about as much apathy as I watch an episode of Jeopardy, and had exactly the same reactions, favorable and unfavorable. Perfectly said. *thumbs up*
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Also, welcome to the club of us old-fashioned eccentrics who believe murder just isn't a very nice thing to do.
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