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[curefreak]

So I had this interesting discussion with a "very religious" person and I was surprised that we found common ground on the issue of "creationalism" and "evolution". I myself am not religious per se, I guess I am more agnostic, aka backing my odds both ways in case there is a higher power or powers *lol*. Seriously, I do think there are powers or

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[khemlab]

I'm of the "absolutely not" viewpoint, which makes sense as I am a staunch atheist.

[soberloki]

Greetings, other staunch atheist. How's it going?

[khemlab]

Fabulous! No worries at all. How you doin'?

[thrashbear]

Fuckin' Atheists, how do they work?

[silver05]

Haha! I was right for #2 (so far)!

Unless I'm misunderstanding creationism, isn't it possible (under their theology) that God simply made the world one way and allowed to adapt and change over time?

[crassy]

Not all ID folks agree, there are many ID people who are also anti-evolution and YEC.

[speaktothevoid]

I'm an atheist, but the fact that I don't believe in a divine influence on evolution does not mean religious people can't see it that way. A little tweaking and metaphorical interpretation, and you could maybe sort of interpret evolution from several religious stories of creation. Heck, Darwin himself was a Christian. So while personally, I'm not into forcibly inserting a god in a process that never needed one, I did check 'probably yes' because I suppose religion/some form of creationism and acknowledging evolution are not mutually incompatible.

[coranglaisman]

It's always been my viewpoint that perhaps evolution is the way God did allow life to come into existence, because, well, why not? (I never used to understand why nobody else in my conservative home church agreed.)

Then again, I'm also one of those (seemingly increasingly rare) people who doesn't see why there needs to be a science-faith dichotomy, and I get frustrated with people on both sides for continuing to try and enforce it.

(Currently ELCA Lutheran.)

[cozmic_oceanz]

I agree with you. I don't label myself much when it comes to spirituality, but I a big part of what I studied in university was the intersection between psychology, consciousness, and spirituality...in scientific terms. I am also very interested in the intersection of spirituality and quantum physics! but it's complicated stuff.

I think the main thing is that, really, while "spirituality" can be intertwined with science, it's hard for "religion" to. Religion is very rigid and doesn't allow for lots of scientific theories if one takes the religion at face value. And faith is a gray area for me, because it's not something I really understand.

But I agree, someone can be religious and still be a scientist/believe in evolution/all that stuff.

[thrashbear]

"Then again, I'm also one of those (seemingly increasingly rare) people who doesn't see why there needs to be a science-faith dichotomy, and I get frustrated with people on both sides for continuing to try and enforce it."

NdT had something to say about this:

[mofoburrell]

Anything's possible, depending on how you define your terms. Usually "creationism" is taken to mean either that life originated as described in Genesis or that humans were created in their deliberate form. These would almost by definition preclude any real proposal for evolution. If you fudge your terms a bit and say that "creationism" just means divine intervention to get things going (which I have heard some people say) then it could be fine.