I'll have to watch the episode again, because my first go-round was a little 'meh', but that doesn't mean anything necessarily! I loved the gore/serious monster biz aspect. Unlike some, I don't dislike Cole, though he wasn't terribly well-written this spin ... well, actually, I think this writer just isn't smashing with dialog, but hey, so be it.
I believe Carver's current team doesn't have a great overview of the characters and past events (even though some of the writers have been around awhile), so the dialog will feel like it's been done before ... because it has.
Pretty derned solid MotW ep, though! Would've liked to have seen Dean down to one layer in the sweat lodge, heh. I was super happy when the boys caught Cole going back on his word: "And you bought him dinner!" Best line. There were a few spots where I thought bits had been written for humor but weren't played that way, which was weird.
I so very liked Sam's fretting at the end, but like you said, if they hadn't been coming off a period where the show really didn't give a floopy about meatsuits, I might've been more moved by Sam's angst. Obviously, his concern about not being able to save Dean is coloring everything for him right now, so there IS that.
Anywho, I'm gonna watch it again today sometime and ponder a tad more. Pull it apart. Not a bad episode, all told!
I was engaged and wasn't left head scratching as much as I usually am - so I counted that as a win! (also, old fashioned MoTW and no angels and demons - double win :D). I was bored a bit during the Cole and Dean stuff - mostly because I don't care at all about Cole. I know it was being used to show us the fight Dean has ahead so it was important (though I'm not sure how much more they need to hammer home that Dean will need to fight this from within, but there you have it).
Cole is curious because we're seeing him basically only though Dean's eyes only (hee - surprise!). Cole apologised to Dean for trying to kill him and yet there's been no mention at all about what he did to Sam. Sam's flinch when he sees him made me think of the danger Cole had put him in, but I think it was more about him protecting Dean from Cole, than his remembering his torture. I just don't know what to make of that. Sam is being SO forgiving at the moment - I know that's part of him character, but I get confused about how someone who was such a dick (and threat to both of them), becomes like their best friend in the course of an episode. Kind of like Gadreel. Oh you're sorry you tried to kill us? Ok, that's fine, you're now on our Christmas card list. I did like that Cole fully understands why Dean killed his dad and acknowledged the thankless job they do.
What is very curious (and this has only just dawned on me - when writing up a comment below), that Dean knows the potential danger Sam is in but he hasn't shared that with Sam. And not only that, he seems to be telling Sam to stop trying to find something that will help him. So, once again, Dean is making decisions about something that will involve Sam, without him. I'm not sure if that's deliberate, but it's curious that they are continuing this characterisation for Dean. Sam is probably aware of his own danger, but it clearly doesn't worry him. Sam, trusts that Dean will never hurt him, so his concern is more for what's going to happen to Dean. And Dean trusts himself enough to believe he'd never hurt (or kill) Sam, so he doesn't need to trouble Sam with it (even though as a demon he tried just that, so you'd think Dean would be very worried about Sam's safety. Maybe that will come out later).
Hmmm, not sure where that's leading. Just mulling that over… (seems there might be more thinky in that episode than I originally thought).
Oh yeah, I know his was a redemption arc for Gadreel and he made "good" after using Sam's body to kill Kevin. For me though, it seems weird to go from that to considering him a friend (as Sam stated). Warily trusting, yes, but "friend" is a hard stretch for me. Though I know Sam is massively forgiving because of what he's been through and I accept that in Gadreel's case and in Cole's case he can easily find forgiveness because he, himself, has needed forgiveness in the past (even when the perpetrators don't - like Cole, in this case).
It's a strength of Sam's (I just a little peeved when that is overlooked. But yeah, I gotta move past in…)
Sam was pointing out that Crowley isn't a friend... their real friends are the ones who are risking their lives to help Dean win his fight against Metatron. So in this context, Gadreel is a friend.
Cole apologised to Dean for trying to kill him and yet there's been no mention at all about what he did to Sam
Yes. And that's probably because Cole's storyline revolves mostly around Dean, so that's what the writers focus on. The writers rarely focus on anything that's related to Sam. *sigh*
I believe Carver's current team doesn't have a great overview of the characters and past events (even though some of the writers have been around awhile), so the dialog will feel like it's been done before ... because it has.
Pretty derned solid MotW ep, though! Would've liked to have seen Dean down to one layer in the sweat lodge, heh. I was super happy when the boys caught Cole going back on his word: "And you bought him dinner!" Best line. There were a few spots where I thought bits had been written for humor but weren't played that way, which was weird.
I so very liked Sam's fretting at the end, but like you said, if they hadn't been coming off a period where the show really didn't give a floopy about meatsuits, I might've been more moved by Sam's angst. Obviously, his concern about not being able to save Dean is coloring everything for him right now, so there IS that.
Anywho, I'm gonna watch it again today sometime and ponder a tad more. Pull it apart. Not a bad episode, all told!
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Cole is curious because we're seeing him basically only though Dean's eyes only (hee - surprise!). Cole apologised to Dean for trying to kill him and yet there's been no mention at all about what he did to Sam. Sam's flinch when he sees him made me think of the danger Cole had put him in, but I think it was more about him protecting Dean from Cole, than his remembering his torture. I just don't know what to make of that. Sam is being SO forgiving at the moment - I know that's part of him character, but I get confused about how someone who was such a dick (and threat to both of them), becomes like their best friend in the course of an episode. Kind of like Gadreel. Oh you're sorry you tried to kill us? Ok, that's fine, you're now on our Christmas card list. I did like that Cole fully understands why Dean killed his dad and acknowledged the thankless job they do.
What is very curious (and this has only just dawned on me - when writing up a comment below), that Dean knows the potential danger Sam is in but he hasn't shared that with Sam. And not only that, he seems to be telling Sam to stop trying to find something that will help him. So, once again, Dean is making decisions about something that will involve Sam, without him. I'm not sure if that's deliberate, but it's curious that they are continuing this characterisation for Dean. Sam is probably aware of his own danger, but it clearly doesn't worry him. Sam, trusts that Dean will never hurt him, so his concern is more for what's going to happen to Dean. And Dean trusts himself enough to believe he'd never hurt (or kill) Sam, so he doesn't need to trouble Sam with it (even though as a demon he tried just that, so you'd think Dean would be very worried about Sam's safety. Maybe that will come out later).
Hmmm, not sure where that's leading. Just mulling that over… (seems there might be more thinky in that episode than I originally thought).
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It's different with Gadreel. He was willing to risk his life to help make things right. And in the end, he sacrificed himself for them.
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It's a strength of Sam's (I just a little peeved when that is overlooked. But yeah, I gotta move past in…)
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Cole apologised to Dean for trying to kill him and yet there's been no mention at all about what he did to Sam
Yes. And that's probably because Cole's storyline revolves mostly around Dean, so that's what the writers focus on. The writers rarely focus on anything that's related to Sam. *sigh*
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