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ash48 June 18 2014, 10:04:13 UTC
I'm curious why you think that this is a step forward.

Because, unlike a lot of fandom, I don't consider their co-dependence very healthy. It's lead to some pretty awful behaviours by them both (to each other), so learning to let go seems to be a step forward as far as I am concerned. We've argued heaps about this and I know we differ very much on this aspect of their relationship. That's not to say I want them to be any less co-dependent, but there was a time when Dean was able to let go of Sam. He's lost that ability over the years and it's helped continue the Winchester cycle of sacrifice. Which is awesome for the show (and yay can't live without each other!) but I want to see Dean treating Sam like an equal again - being proud of him for what he's done and endured. Which I think the "I'm proud of us" was leaning toward. But I would loved it to have been "I'm proud of you for sticking with me when you could have easily walked away" (of course, Sam would never do that - but that was never addressed either). I have struggled massively with that statement, because in my books Dean doesn't have a lot to be proud of at the moment. Sure, he should be proud that somehow they've made it this far together, but until he acknowledges that he did the wrong thing in allowing Sam to be possessed without his consent that will all hang over me and this season. It still hurts truth be told. I am very disappointed that Dean died without some real reconciliation between the two of them. I am hoping that will come in S10. In fact, I actually think S10 will be able building real strength in their relationship. I hope!

Eek, sorry for the rant. I didn't mean too. I really don't think I have the energy to argue/discuss all this over again. ;/ I know we'll never see eye to eye on this.

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casey28 June 28 2014, 16:13:59 UTC
I really don't think I have the energy to argue/discuss all this over again. ;/ I know we'll never see eye to eye on this.

Sorry that I'm late replying to this, hon. It sounded like you didn't want to talk to me about this, so I thought it was best to let it go. But now I've seen your latest post, and you're saying that you do want to discuss this topic. I'm not sure if this means that you'd like to discuss this with me again, or not. I was going to reply to your other post, and to your comment here, but I don't know if you want me to.

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ash48 June 28 2014, 23:42:11 UTC
I'm sorry to give mixed messages. I suppose I mean I feel that we have had some very long and excellent discussions on the topic and I feel going over it again won't change anything. As you can see from my latest post I am still struggling with it all and to be honest I don't know what I'm looking for as an answer. I accept your version of the situation, but unfortunately that doesn't make me feel any better about Dean. I wish it did, because I think embracing that would help me I'm sure. But I can't. In all honesty I think I just have to move on (which I have been trying to do and failing miserably at!).
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