3.14 - 'Dangerous Liaisons' - Take Two (The Vampire Diaries)

[arabian]

So, a follow-up to last night's post about the latest Vampire Diaries episode. (I'll be working on responses throughout the night to that post.)

Comments

[x5vale]

Gotta say, I totally agree with you.

I have ranted a lot in my review, but basically I have never felt too much pissed off at Elena. I was way more worried about Damon...

[arabian]

Good, I'm glad that I helped. :)

[arabian]

YAY! Glad I was able to help, it certainly helped me working through it. :)

[jedi_of_urth]

1) I agree with these thoughts. She responded forcefully, more so that she meant to, because he'd pushed the issue just a bit too far. She's slowly moving towards admitting what's happening between her and Damon but she's definitely not there yet. I don't hold it against him, but he also didn't know the added stress she'd just taken on. She was in no place to deal with the Damon of it all just then

[arabian]

She responded forcefully, more so that she meant to, because he'd pushed the issue just a bit too far. She's slowly moving towards admitting what's happening between her and Damon but she's definitely not there yet. I don't hold it against him, but he also didn't know the added stress she'd just taken on. She was in no place to deal with the Damon of it all just then.

Exactly. It was just REALLY bad timing on his part, but understandable where he was coming from too.

I felt like Elena knows she's guessing there. Like, with what she knows it's a pretty safe bet, but it's still a guess.

Yeah, exactly, she basically jumped to that assumption because ... that's what Damon does.

I suppose it could make sense in character, but this one actually does frustrate me.oh, it frustrates the HELL OUT OF ME, but it's in character. I look at it this way, Damon did a lot of growing season 02 (as Elena has done this season), but he also regressed, two steps forward, a few steps back, etc. and so on because that's how growth (that eventually

[jedi_of_urth]

It was just REALLY bad timing on his part, but understandable where he was coming from too.Yeah, my first instinct is to defend Elena's actions (which while not perfect are perfectly understandable) before I worry abo0ut addressing Damon's. And the problem is that neither of them were looking to compromise, he said no and that was the end of it, so she went about finding a way that didn't need him to agree. But as I said in my post, isn't the obvious solution to compromise and say "Elijah, you promise to stay with Elena and not let you mom do anything to her." Done, Elena's not locked in a room with mommy dearest but isn't bringing in someone that (as far as they know) Ester would mind having around. And hell, Elijah's older, stronger, faster, and less killable (especially, as far as hey know going into it, when it's his mother) than the Salvatores anyway. But again, no one was looking to compromise this week

[arabian]

Yeah, my first instinct is to defend Elena's actions (which while not perfect are perfectly understandable) before I worry abo0ut addressing Damon's.

And I'm a Damon-fan first, and most on my flist TVD-wise are also, so we go the opposite direction.

I agree re: compromise. But it's still frustrating because Elena didn't even try and pull out the doe-eyes, 'do it for me' bit which is normally her successful tactic with him.

there's a lot of stuff we don't agree on when it comes to this show

I know, it was just nice seeing you here, that's all. :)

[linsell_farm]

Things really do look different the next day. This all makes sense to me and thank you for helping me see the light.

I deleted my comment to your original post, as it really didn't apply once I'd read this one (and Candy's and Meg's posts).

I do enjoy that this show inspires such diverse reactions and that we all discuss them and change them with respect for each other.

[arabian]

Ah, so sorry I missed this one! (I was responding to the quick ones first, and then I walked away and started on the long ones and yours fell in between and I missed it. EEK!)

Things really do look different the next day. This all makes sense to me and thank you for helping me see the light.

You're welcome! I was glad that I was able to see the light! :D

I deleted my comment to your original post, as it really didn't apply once I'd read this one

I totally get that, what with it being a different frame of mind now.

I do enjoy that this show inspires such diverse reactions and that we all discuss them and change them with respect for each other.

Yup! That's the good side of fandom. :)

[wiccabuffy]

What's really interesting are all the parallels the show is coming up with, so I'm curious to see how Elena/everyone else will respond to them

[arabian]

What's really interesting are all the parallels the show is coming up with, so I'm curious to see how Elena/everyone else will respond to them.

Ooh, good point, I didn't even think about the parallels!

Damon killing Lexi/Stefan killing Andie.

Now this is a sore point for me, because I think Damon had the stake in case Lexi did something stupid (and he could look like the awesome hero to Liz), which she did. She could have taken off into the night, but instead chose to attack Liz. Damon DID save Liz's life, but clearly that doesn't matter. Ugh.

Ahem, but your point --

Whatever your opinions are about the characters or if Damon was "raping" Andie (I don't believe this personally),

Me neither. THe show deliberately showed both Caroline and Andie choosing to sleep with him before the vampire/compulsion came into play. Lying to someone and sleeping with is NOT the same thing as rape when the women are perfectly willing. It's crappy, but it's not rape. Damon did NOT compel them to sleep with him.

these two deaths of