What's really interesting are all the parallels the show is coming up with, so I'm curious to see how Elena/everyone else will respond to them.
Ooh, good point, I didn't even think about the parallels!
Damon killing Lexi/Stefan killing Andie.
Now this is a sore point for me, because I think Damon had the stake in case Lexi did something stupid (and he could look like the awesome hero to Liz), which she did. She could have taken off into the night, but instead chose to attack Liz. Damon DID save Liz's life, but clearly that doesn't matter. Ugh.
Ahem, but your point --
Whatever your opinions are about the characters or if Damon was "raping" Andie (I don't believe this personally),
Me neither. THe show deliberately showed both Caroline and Andie choosing to sleep with him before the vampire/compulsion came into play. Lying to someone and sleeping with is NOT the same thing as rape when the women are perfectly willing. It's crappy, but it's not rape. Damon did NOT compel them to sleep with him.
these two deaths of innocents that meant *something* to one brother by the other brother's hand - I would love to see it really addressed. Because right now, I think people have forgiven Damon for Lexi but they've forgotten about Andie - except Damon. I think he's too messed up to not remember that and hold a grudge.
I REALLY want the Andie-thing addressed and I fear that it never will. It should because how Stefan killed her (and what he did to Elena on Wickery Bridge) shows an inherent cruelty in him that we've never seen with Damon. That should be addressed as well.
Damon force-feeding Elena blood twice/Stefan force-feeding Elena blood. [...]the difference is that both brothers used Elena to get what they wanted by doing it, but only Stefan was someone Elena had cared for tremendously
THIS! And when Damon did it the second time he was doing it to SAVE Elena's life. (ETA: I had a whole section here, don't know where it went!) Whereas for Stefan, he force-fed her the blood, threatened to kill her to gain the upper hand with Klaus. I'm not saying it was right either time with Damon, but for him it was about love. For Stefan it was about revenge.
I'm going on a limb and will say she never slept with Matt, so Stefan was also her first lover.
Oh, I 100% do NOT believe this. There's no way we wouldn't have had discussion with Elena/Bonnie, or Elena/Bonnie/Caroline, or Elena/Caroline about that. NO WAY. Plus some reference to it being her first time with Stefan. I totally believe that she and Matt did the expected, inexperienced version of first-time sex.
Damon killing Jeremy/Stefan starting a war that almost got Jeremy killed.
I don't really see how this works with Elena out of the picture because it's Elena's brother at risk here. The differences for me is that Damon was emotional and unthinking in his action (not that it justifies it), while Stefan was calculating and cold and flat-out said he didn't care that Jeremy was intended collateral damage. Furthermore, Damon KNEW that Jeremy had vampire blood in his system and that he WANTED to turn, so while he was "killing" him, he wasn't taking Jeremy from Elena's life, he'd just be undead. Stefan's actions would have led to Jeremy's forever and ever death.
Damon sleeping with Rebekah/Stefan sleeping with Rebekah.
Hmm, I'm not actually seeing this as a parallel so much, but more as 'these are our available women for him to sleep with,' LOL! Honestly, I'm not really expecting a reaction from Stefan about Rebekah, they've kinda dropped that aspect completely unfortunately. I'd love to be wrong, though.
Ooh, good point, I didn't even think about the parallels!
Damon killing Lexi/Stefan killing Andie.
Now this is a sore point for me, because I think Damon had the stake in case Lexi did something stupid (and he could look like the awesome hero to Liz), which she did. She could have taken off into the night, but instead chose to attack Liz. Damon DID save Liz's life, but clearly that doesn't matter. Ugh.
Ahem, but your point --
Whatever your opinions are about the characters or if Damon was "raping" Andie (I don't believe this personally),
Me neither. THe show deliberately showed both Caroline and Andie choosing to sleep with him before the vampire/compulsion came into play. Lying to someone and sleeping with is NOT the same thing as rape when the women are perfectly willing. It's crappy, but it's not rape. Damon did NOT compel them to sleep with him.
these two deaths of innocents that meant *something* to one brother by the other brother's hand - I would love to see it really addressed. Because right now, I think people have forgiven Damon for Lexi but they've forgotten about Andie - except Damon. I think he's too messed up to not remember that and hold a grudge.
I REALLY want the Andie-thing addressed and I fear that it never will. It should because how Stefan killed her (and what he did to Elena on Wickery Bridge) shows an inherent cruelty in him that we've never seen with Damon. That should be addressed as well.
Damon force-feeding Elena blood twice/Stefan force-feeding Elena blood. [...]the difference is that both brothers used Elena to get what they wanted by doing it, but only Stefan was someone Elena had cared for tremendously
THIS! And when Damon did it the second time he was doing it to SAVE Elena's life. (ETA: I had a whole section here, don't know where it went!) Whereas for Stefan, he force-fed her the blood, threatened to kill her to gain the upper hand with Klaus. I'm not saying it was right either time with Damon, but for him it was about love. For Stefan it was about revenge.
I'm going on a limb and will say she never slept with Matt, so Stefan was also her first lover.
Oh, I 100% do NOT believe this. There's no way we wouldn't have had discussion with Elena/Bonnie, or Elena/Bonnie/Caroline, or Elena/Caroline about that. NO WAY. Plus some reference to it being her first time with Stefan. I totally believe that she and Matt did the expected, inexperienced version of first-time sex.
Damon killing Jeremy/Stefan starting a war that almost got Jeremy killed.
I don't really see how this works with Elena out of the picture because it's Elena's brother at risk here. The differences for me is that Damon was emotional and unthinking in his action (not that it justifies it), while Stefan was calculating and cold and flat-out said he didn't care that Jeremy was intended collateral damage. Furthermore, Damon KNEW that Jeremy had vampire blood in his system and that he WANTED to turn, so while he was "killing" him, he wasn't taking Jeremy from Elena's life, he'd just be undead. Stefan's actions would have led to Jeremy's forever and ever death.
Damon sleeping with Rebekah/Stefan sleeping with Rebekah.
Hmm, I'm not actually seeing this as a parallel so much, but more as 'these are our available women for him to sleep with,' LOL! Honestly, I'm not really expecting a reaction from Stefan about Rebekah, they've kinda dropped that aspect completely unfortunately. I'd love to be wrong, though.
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