Daniel, you have always been one to insist on having the last word, and that is all that this journal entry represents. You know it. There was no need to either stab us all in the back or cheapen our experiences online. It really is just forcing your opinions on people, again, as you always have liked to do at the end of a dispute you've just lost.
You've lost your emotional investment in FFU? Fine. No prob. Push off, then, if you're that intent on saying it's meaningless. Was there any reason whatsoever to try and break everyone else's? Now, you can happily trumpet things about "irl", I'm sure, but until recently I lived so far out into the country that the Net was all I had. I know others on FFU who are in the same boat still. And FFU's always been a very loving place... Why are you trying to fight that? Are you trying to say that I haven't just bought a rail ticket to go visit a friend from FFU? Are you saying that I didn't once stay up til five am to try and talk round a friend in trouble eight time zone away? That I wouldn't gladly do it again?
Are you trying to say that I was never in love with Ashrose?
If the net has no meaning for you, fine. I have no problem with that. I was very much the same before I met Rose on FFS in 2001. But trying to push it on everyone else, just because you've never experienced emotions that we have experienced, is a little like a small child claiming that the earth is flat.
It's also saying that not one of us ever meant anything to you, of course, that you were never a friend to us, that it was 'just the intertnet' to you, and what I'm meant to think about that I don't know.
Anyhow, I will miss you. You're a good man, and a smart one, and I think it's a great shame that I mean nothing to you. But enjoy your journey, and may the Goddess bless you.
"Daniel, you have always been one to insist on having the last word, and that is all that this journal entry represents. You know it."
uh ... no. this is me telling a few people why I left. If you have a problem with that you can bug off. This journal entry represents why I'm fed up with FFU. Nothing more, you can look for more than that if you will, but I didn't force this on anyone, so don't go acting all high and mighty like I threw this in everyones face. Hell, I didn't say hardly a thing to the members when I left. If I wanted to cause a stir ... you know I could have done it there. This is the reasoning for the few people who really wanted to know why.
"There was no need to either stab us all in the back or cheapen our experiences online." This isn't stabbing you in the back. This is exactly what I saw. Deny it all you wish, but I think we are both aware why you think it's a back stab. You just can't handle my take on it.
"It really is just forcing your opinions on people, again, as you always have liked to do at the end of a dispute you've just lost." You're telling me that I'm forcing my opinions on you ... when you are coming to my live journal, which I've shown to only a handfull of people, telling me that I'm backstabing and whatever ... and you have the nerve to tell me that I'm forcing MY opinion on people? Back off. You're the one that forced your will this time. This is just the sum of my FFU experience, and if you can't handle that ... it's not my problem kid.
"if you're that intent on saying it's meaningless. Was there any reason whatsoever to try and break everyone else's? Now, you can happily trumpet things about "irl", I'm sure, but until recently I lived so far out into the country that the Net was all I had." heh ... you obviously know very little about Tennessee.
"And FFU's always been a very loving place... Why are you trying to fight that?" Oh ... so it was loving when you were sweet talking Aias in one place and calling him a Viper in another ... that IS loving ... no, wait, never mind ... that must have been gas. Get off it. FFU is about as "loving" as a knife in the back.
"Are you trying to say that I haven't just bought a rail ticket to go visit a friend from FFU? Are you saying that I didn't once stay up til five am to try and talk round a friend in trouble eight time zone away? That I wouldn't gladly do it again?" Nope, I'm saying people get addicted and place FFU as a priority. you don't agree? fine.
"But trying to push it on everyone else, just because you've never experienced emotions that we have experienced, is a little like a small child claiming that the earth is flat." eh, I've been in love before sparky. I was almost engaged at one point. I just don't think that you can account for the "chemistery" factor, or whatever you want to call it online. Face to Face you just never know. I would say that trying to trick yourself into thinking you NEED FFU or the net or whatever... which a lot of people do ... is like saying you need your drug of choice. It's pretty damn self-destructive.
"It's also saying that not one of us ever meant anything to you, of course, that you were never a friend to us, that it was 'just the intertnet' to you, and what I'm meant to think about that I don't know." Nope, once again, it's saying that I think I placed to much imfacis on the net. That seems to keep flying over some peoples heads.
"Anyhow, I will miss you. You're a good man, and a smart one, and I think it's a great shame that I mean nothing to you. But enjoy your journey, and may the Goddess bless you. " Your opinion of me carries no weight anymore. After what you did, I can't say that I have any respect for you at all. And you can keep the blessing of your "Goddess" there is only One God who's blessing I seek.
Now I'm sure you'll want to come back and say that I'm just forcing my opinions on people once again ... but this is my live journal. Of course I'm going to give my opinions here. And if someone challenges those, I'm going to give the backing of those opinions. You can either refute them, or quit trying to drag me through the mud by saying that I'm "forcing my opinion on people" ... in MY live journal.
Oh, ManicMage linked this on FFU and had a hissy fit. I thought you might have put him up to it, was all. :) He immediately got about five replies from other members calling him a hypocrite, oddly enough - doomsaying when everything was on the up. See, everything is getting back to normal now, at least when FFU is up. We've had no bad feelings on the boards at all since you've left, except for MM's little doom-and-gloom thread, which was loudly shouted down by the other members on the spot. Thing is, you're pimping your view as fact in front of (though you didn't mean it to be) a lot of people, which is the reason I bothered to reply. There is no fact in this situation, only different levels of opinion. And you've never before expressed your opinion in public without a reason. Forgive me if I was skeptical about what the reason was.
I did knife Aias in the back, and I'm glad I did. Hell, you said I impressed you - you were only trying to get him flamed off, and I went right into the viper's nest. I knew what I was dealing with, after he quit lying about the depression - wasn't until today that me and Nick put a definition to it, but as soon as we rootled through the psych books we found that 'clinical psychopath' fitted perfectly. "The adult antisocial personality shows irresponsible and antisocial behaviour by not working constantly, breaking laws, being irritable and physically agressive, and being reckless. He or she is impulsive and fails to plan ahead. In addition, he or she shows no regard for truth or remose for misdeeds." (Antisocial personality disorder=psychopathy, of course. Gilad agrees with the definition too, btw).
...? It just ate half my comment...anyway... *pastes over*
I dealt with him through deception - it's a tool I know how to use, and the one far and away most suited for the job. How else was I ever going to get enough knowlege to know that it didn't add up? Poetic justice, too, of course...fighting fire with fire. I'm not proud of it, and I don't want other people to respect it, but I honestly think that it was the best thing to do and FFU has been a lot more cheerful since I did it. Dealing with psychopaths is never going to be clean.
And I never asked anyone for respect. It's not something I expect, or even value. I made some terrible mistakes back in April; I deserve no respect from anyone on FFU, and I'm greatly surprised that so many people now say they respect me just because I put right the damage I helped cause in the first place. I really don't deserve any respect from them at all - I was just doing my job, serving and protecting them, doing what was best for them. Oddly enough, you and Wyn seem to be the only ones left who think I did the wrong thing in expelling a clinical psychopath from FFU.
And less of the inverted commas; my faith is as good, as old, and as much to me as yours is to you.
You've lost your emotional investment in FFU? Fine. No prob. Push off, then, if you're that intent on saying it's meaningless. Was there any reason whatsoever to try and break everyone else's? Now, you can happily trumpet things about "irl", I'm sure, but until recently I lived so far out into the country that the Net was all I had. I know others on FFU who are in the same boat still. And FFU's always been a very loving place... Why are you trying to fight that? Are you trying to say that I haven't just bought a rail ticket to go visit a friend from FFU? Are you saying that I didn't once stay up til five am to try and talk round a friend in trouble eight time zone away? That I wouldn't gladly do it again?
Are you trying to say that I was never in love with Ashrose?
If the net has no meaning for you, fine. I have no problem with that. I was very much the same before I met Rose on FFS in 2001. But trying to push it on everyone else, just because you've never experienced emotions that we have experienced, is a little like a small child claiming that the earth is flat.
It's also saying that not one of us ever meant anything to you, of course, that you were never a friend to us, that it was 'just the intertnet' to you, and what I'm meant to think about that I don't know.
Anyhow, I will miss you. You're a good man, and a smart one, and I think it's a great shame that I mean nothing to you. But enjoy your journey, and may the Goddess bless you.
maythe,
Thene
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uh ... no. this is me telling a few people why I left. If you have a problem with that you can bug off. This journal entry represents why I'm fed up with FFU. Nothing more, you can look for more than that if you will, but I didn't force this on anyone, so don't go acting all high and mighty like I threw this in everyones face. Hell, I didn't say hardly a thing to the members when I left. If I wanted to cause a stir ... you know I could have done it there. This is the reasoning for the few people who really wanted to know why.
"There was no need to either stab us all in the back or cheapen our experiences online."
This isn't stabbing you in the back. This is exactly what I saw. Deny it all you wish, but I think we are both aware why you think it's a back stab. You just can't handle my take on it.
"It really is just forcing your opinions on people, again, as you always have liked to do at the end of a dispute you've just lost."
You're telling me that I'm forcing my opinions on you ... when you are coming to my live journal, which I've shown to only a handfull of people, telling me that I'm backstabing and whatever ... and you have the nerve to tell me that I'm forcing MY opinion on people? Back off. You're the one that forced your will this time. This is just the sum of my FFU experience, and if you can't handle that ... it's not my problem kid.
"if you're that intent on saying it's meaningless. Was there any reason whatsoever to try and break everyone else's? Now, you can happily trumpet things about "irl", I'm sure, but until recently I lived so far out into the country that the Net was all I had."
heh ... you obviously know very little about Tennessee.
"And FFU's always been a very loving place... Why are you trying to fight that?"
Oh ... so it was loving when you were sweet talking Aias in one place and calling him a Viper in another ... that IS loving ... no, wait, never mind ... that must have been gas.
Get off it. FFU is about as "loving" as a knife in the back.
"Are you trying to say that I haven't just bought a rail ticket to go visit a friend from FFU? Are you saying that I didn't once stay up til five am to try and talk round a friend in trouble eight time zone away? That I wouldn't gladly do it again?"
Nope, I'm saying people get addicted and place FFU as a priority. you don't agree? fine.
"But trying to push it on everyone else, just because you've never experienced emotions that we have experienced, is a little like a small child claiming that the earth is flat."
eh, I've been in love before sparky. I was almost engaged at one point. I just don't think that you can account for the "chemistery" factor, or whatever you want to call it online. Face to Face you just never know.
I would say that trying to trick yourself into thinking you NEED FFU or the net or whatever... which a lot of people do ... is like saying you need your drug of choice. It's pretty damn self-destructive.
"It's also saying that not one of us ever meant anything to you, of course, that you were never a friend to us, that it was 'just the intertnet' to you, and what I'm meant to think about that I don't know."
Nope, once again, it's saying that I think I placed to much imfacis on the net. That seems to keep flying over some peoples heads.
"Anyhow, I will miss you. You're a good man, and a smart one, and I think it's a great shame that I mean nothing to you. But enjoy your journey, and may the Goddess bless you. "
Your opinion of me carries no weight anymore. After what you did, I can't say that I have any respect for you at all.
And you can keep the blessing of your "Goddess" there is only One God who's blessing I seek.
Now I'm sure you'll want to come back and say that I'm just forcing my opinions on people once again ... but this is my live journal. Of course I'm going to give my opinions here. And if someone challenges those, I'm going to give the backing of those opinions. You can either refute them, or quit trying to drag me through the mud by saying that I'm "forcing my opinion on people" ... in MY live journal.
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I did knife Aias in the back, and I'm glad I did. Hell, you said I impressed you - you were only trying to get him flamed off, and I went right into the viper's nest. I knew what I was dealing with, after he quit lying about the depression - wasn't until today that me and Nick put a definition to it, but as soon as we rootled through the psych books we found that 'clinical psychopath' fitted perfectly. "The adult antisocial personality shows irresponsible and antisocial behaviour by not working constantly, breaking laws, being irritable and physically agressive, and being reckless. He or she is impulsive and fails to plan ahead. In addition, he or she shows no regard for truth or remose for misdeeds." (Antisocial personality disorder=psychopathy, of course. Gilad agrees with the definition too, btw).
I dealt with him through deception
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I dealt with him through deception - it's a tool I know how to use, and the one far and away most suited for the job. How else was I ever going to get enough knowlege to know that it didn't add up? Poetic justice, too, of course...fighting fire with fire. I'm not proud of it, and I don't want other people to respect it, but I honestly think that it was the best thing to do and FFU has been a lot more cheerful since I did it. Dealing with psychopaths is never going to be clean.
And I never asked anyone for respect. It's not something I expect, or even value. I made some terrible mistakes back in April; I deserve no respect from anyone on FFU, and I'm greatly surprised that so many people now say they respect me just because I put right the damage I helped cause in the first place. I really don't deserve any respect from them at all - I was just doing my job, serving and protecting them, doing what was best for them. Oddly enough, you and Wyn seem to be the only ones left who think I did the wrong thing in expelling a clinical psychopath from FFU.
And less of the inverted commas; my faith is as good, as old, and as much to me as yours is to you.
Night,
Thene
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