001 - [Video]
[Jetfire apparently figured out the video-function of the journal very quickly, because that's what pops up; a view of someone white, obviously very large, and metal. As soon as he starts to speak, however, it's clear, for those of you who speak English, that he's not speaking that (or any other langauge mostly anyone here would recognize), so have
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Yes, yes, precisely! Even if it were to be something so drastic as, say… a supernova, or the formation of a black hole - the core collapsing, extreme gravitational pull-- [He’s seen this first hand.] - that generally would only affect one system itself at a time.
It would have to be…simultaneous supernovas or some such similar dramatic event throughout the entire multiverse -- and! Throughout their respective solar systems as well - though I’m having trouble with the calculations and figuring out how, exactly, they would span several dimensions so precisely without the use of previously mentioned black holes, and there would need to be multiple, I’m certain - there are still too many variables for this to be plausible or probable.
[He refrains from saying possible. Because something brought them here, and something happened.]
Clumping - you mean…combining several universes into one, and then obliteration? [INTERESTING THEORY he likes it. He taps his chin.]
That would certainly have made the cataclysm easier but the question still remains how, or why.
[Oh come on just a little looksy he won’t hurt you, promise.]
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Precisely; in fact, an occurence like that would be the least that would be needed, I think. I suppose it's possible to posit sudden gravitational pull of any given universe upon itself, causing its destruction, but what could cause such a thing to occur suddenly... and, as you say, the infinite variables ought to restrict any such event to the universe of origin.
[Jetfire, while certainly leaning forward, isn't as... animated, as Megamind in his discussion, but he's certainly intent.]
... Ahh, that's an interesting possibility, definitely. In fact... [Jetfire almost gets distracted, here, but manages to pull back from that new thread, if barely.]
But no, I was thinking of any given number of universes that share a particular, or several, traits, allowing for one stable feature shared between them.
Plausibly, then, one event could perhaps wipe out this given 'multiverse', but not the greater 'omniverse', as other localized clumps of universes do not share the feature of this destroyed multiverse. But, indeed, that doesn't answer how as it should still be... too improbable to be viable.
[If there'd been a proper medic around, perhaps then (in the name of science), but as it stands? Nope, no going!]
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Whoosh!
Oh hey, that's the sound of this conversation going over Bryn's head.]
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He might be all about flashy showmanship and presentation, but right now, he’s all business and scientific genius. He’s even getting his pronunciations right.]
--But it would have to be a hole big enough to support the gravitation pull of an entire universe, not just say, a planet or a small solar system. We’re talking entire worlds, universes, dimensions here - not just one tiny, insignificant planet. [Or according to that note at least.
He hops back and forth excitedly, gesticulating wildly with the free hand not holding the book.]
Imagine - clumping timestreams atop one another, what it would do to the proper order of things, why I imagine -
[He too cuts himself off, because if he goes off on a tangent here, he will be derailed and they will end up on another subject(s) entirely. He clears his throat, but the excitement that someone understands does not fade.]
Yes, yes - exactly - the omniverse, including (but not limited to, I’m certain) multiple sets of laws, physics, blah blah.
The how’s and why’s simply don’t add up.
[S-sob. But he’s AMAZING with electronics and gadgets! Truly! Look at what he built for Minion! His battle suit! The De-gun! The Retro Ray that actually works!]
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Yes, exactly. And, currently, if all universes and related entities work on an expasion-based theory, with black materia pushing everything outwards, and not a contraction-based theory with gravitation as the force pulling all things inward, then whatever event supposedly destroyed everything would have to work against the natural force acting upon the universes...
[Jetfire trails off, optics narrowing as Megamind mentions the possible effects of everything being, in effect, 'squished together', and he almost answers that, too, because indeed the consequences... effects...]
Indeed it doesn't, since the ontological part simply tries to posit the oxymoron of 'destroyed, and now never existed', not explaining how this thing would be possible in the first place...
[Megamind going back to this had, barely, 'rescued' them from yet another train of thought, but the possibilities, truly!
He's still not sure he'd want you poking about his internals. Not that he couldn't lock anything from you that would be sensitive, but still.]
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Precisely. My theories included the probability of expansion versus contraction and involved certain calculation involving dark matter - which I’m sure you know by definition does not interact with electromagnetic radiation; it’s not only dark [insert finger quotes here!] but also by definition, utterly transparent - but…there is limited tech here to work with, limited resources, and I am unable to come up with any concrete date to form facts as opposed to bouncing bloody theorems off walls.
That, and there is no sun here.
[Which…is a hindrance, when you think about it. And if there’s no sun that’s a pretty clear indication the sky is FAKE and there in some kind of BUBBLE and that means the night sky is not real, either.
Or at least, one can probably safely assume.]
It can’t possibly have never existed. We’re living proof that it did, at one time, exist. That little addendum to his note is complete and utter cockamamie.
[COME ON YOU CAN TRUST THIS FAAAAAAAAAACE]
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No... sun? But there is still a day-night cycle?
[Because if there's an actual (simulation) of a day/night cycle, then a lot of things are simply fabricated. jetfire suddenly has the burning urge to just abandon the conversation and the journal and venture outside and see this for himself... and take a flight.
Something is wrong, and it's not just with these claims and their impossibility.]
Ah, yes. Unfortunately, if I understand it correctly, that's why it's claimed to be an 'ontological' cataclysm, I suppose. Philosophical and metaphysical discussion of the world around us, and in such a case, I suppose it would be possible to end up with 'never having existed', despite the fact that we're... still around.
[Jetfire sighs and shakes his helm.]
I'm uncertain. Philosophy was never something I went deeper into.
[SAID FACE IS BLUE AND HE DOESN'T KNOW YOU GOOD SIR. ONLY QUALIFIED MEDICS AND HIMSELF GETS TO POKE AROUND IN HERE!]
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There isn't one.
It's really rather perplexing, to be frank.
[More than perplexing. It's downright eerie.]
I read a bit of Plato and Aristotle when I was a boy, but it wasn't exactly my forte. I prefer hard science as opposed to discussions centered around existential crises.
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[Jetfire frowns, immediately unsettled; flying was part of him, somehow being restricted in the space that he could do it in almost felt like physical restraints... and he hadn't even yet found a hypothetical "roof and walls".]
Human philosophers, I assume? And yes, precisely so. I have interested myself in patterns, both natural and social, but this is to some degree also based on observation, not... pure theorising. [Philosophy might be useful, but it just wasn't what Jetfire could claim an interest in.]
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[He eyes his journal.]
You don't happen to have flight capabilities, do you? [Hopeful, here.]
Yes, human. [He waves a hand.] Almost pseudo-science if you ask me, but there is some benefit into study in all aspects of the scientific world, I suppose.
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I do, in fact. It won't be much of a problem to find out if there is any physical, if unseen, boundary marking off what space is available. I am going flying either way.
And while I wouldn't, perhaps, call it psuedo-science, anything built merely on conjecture, discussion and outside observation of unobservable states, or internal processes isn't what I could ever claim be... easily ratified. [Jetfire shrugs, and this is why he mostly never went deeply either into philosophy or psychology.]
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A flight capable, speaking, sentient robotic organism, right here in his little Keep! Oh, how marvelous!
Yes, His Keep.]
You will keep me informed wont you? With any findings positive or negative? [OR TAKE HIM WITHT YOU SOMEHOW PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE]
No no - not entirely pseudoscience, only almost - but since it doesn’t really define itself as a science it doesn’t quite meet the criteria - but I agree with you regardless.
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Jetfire's smile widens a bit and he nods.]
Most assuredly. I'm uncertain what stresses your body can take, otherwise I could carry you; I don't think my alt form is large enough to carry a passenger any more, otherwise this could have been accomplished with you in the cockpit...
[Just don't go get any ideas.]
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But please. Do tell me your findings.
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[Jetfire pauses briefly, considering this idea; it might be useful either way, so there is no accidents (unrelated to any flying trips).]
I most assuredly will, yes.
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