So fellow wingnuts won't feel alone in fandom

Oct 02, 2008 01:49


Boy, I'm sure making up for lack of LJ time, lately with all the spamming? I'll do tv comments tomorrow, time to inflict absolutely banal personal opinions which LJ labels as
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papper_docka October 2 2008, 17:32:26 UTC
I see so far there's been little controversy over those subjects. Because there's only a few really controversial ones there, like drugs, abortion and flag burning. I had no idea you burn a flag to dispose of it! Lol Makes sense though.
I thought about it and decided the reason I am not emotionally attached to national symbols (of my own country) like a flag is that they used to be symbols state which equaled the detested comunist party. Of course I was just a child but I soaked up the disdain and I didn't associate the flag with anything else but comunist holidays when it was taken out (not in my home, demonstratively). Then the comunism was over, the emblem eagle got gold claws and a crown to symbolize the reclaimed pride and freedeom and I still feel nada when I think of it. I care for my country but gestures like taking out a flag are something alien to me. This has probably transfered to apply to all flags in general, they aren't the symbol to me they should be. I still kiss a slice of bread if it falls to the floor (because my grandmother taught me to, claiming that bread is "sacred") but I wouldn't have a problem to walk all over the flag.

I see we agree about pretty much everything else. :)

How can you be against someone else having pre-marital sex?

Oh, there are those... I've just heard in the news that a dean of some college in Poland requires an allowance note from parents of the student couples who want to live together in the college dorms without marriage. The students being 19 at the youngest. LOL but also O.O And this is NOT illegal.

"Man, it sucks that we're the best two options this country's got".

That's what I think when I see those two. How can there be only two?!

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amantium_irae October 3 2008, 07:12:02 UTC
Oh, same thing happened everywhere in the Communist gulag. I'm not much of a patriot either, I think I'm too individualistic for that. The bread thing is because it's "the body of Christ" on the one hand and on the other I think because it was such a precious commodity in agricultural societies with poor peasants that you got to see just HOW sacred it was in draught/flood years when there was none to be had. My grandma will feed the crumbles to the birds but never ever throws it away.

And this is NOT illegal.

That's because we don't have a bill of rights and the tradition of freedom. They'd get their asses sued SO fast otherwise.

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papper_docka October 3 2008, 09:14:35 UTC
Oh, I know the symbolism of the bread thing runs deep and that it must have been the same with the flag in the whole comunist block, that was just my lame attempt to explain my reasoning. I didn't say I'm not a patriot but I don't interpet it as revering the flag, more as being an active citizen, caring and voting. I'm more of a local patriot though, with my strong emotional attachment to my town and region rather than the country. It's a historical thing too of course: where I live, people have completely different history and attitude than in some other parts of Poland where I feel like we have nothing in common besides the language.

They'd get their asses sued SO fast otherwise.

It's not only the poor tradition of freedom but also a belief that you don't bother the court with "trifling" stuff like this, you just deal with it on your own, simply ignoring the regulations that you find absurd. In Poland, there is no tradition of law abiding, the law is considered (of course not consciously) a set of obstacles rather than something that serves people, there's even a saying that "law is something you bypass". It doesn't mean high crime rate, just flourish of hypocrisy: let's write tons of regulations that are our wishful thinking and then ignore them because we're lazy and selfish. :)

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