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Most people by now know I am pregnant. Seven years ago when I was still with my ex (wanker), I was told I could not have children without IVF. The reason given is that my tubes were scarred and completely blocked. The doctors also found that my ovaries were fused to my uterus. So, I was put on the waiting list for IVF and when my turn came, I said
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You already know I had one a few years ago when my pill failed, and I am sure you know my reasons.
Yes, I know that and I also know it was not easy for you. And I think this topic is close to both our hearts.
I worked for just under a year at an abortion clinic, and as you can imagine, as this was post abortion for me, I asked the doctors all sorts of questions, and there really is no evidence to suggest any foetal pain or conciousness before the 19th week. The period after that is a grey area, although most doctors are of the opinion that it still isn't developed in terms of the nervous system.
I beg to differ. Here is a quote that 8 week old fetus's do feel pain:
"Sir Albert Lilley, widely considered the "Father of Fetology", and unabashedly pro-life (as anyone with his vast knowledge of fetal development should be) makes some remarkable statements about fetal pain in an interview he conducted for the book The Tiniest Humans.
Question: In the case of an 8- to-10-week fetus, if you apply pressure will it tend to try to get out of the way?
Answer: Normally it would be extremely difficult, apart from putting a foreign instrument or needle into the uterus to apply pressure, but with a fetus at that maturity you have a very small fetus in a larger capsule of fluid. However, as the famous work of Dr. Davenport Hooker shows, in his many thousands of feet of film, babies at this maturity are responsive to touch.
The fetus also responds violently to painful stimuli-needle puncture and injection of cold or of hypertonic solutions- stimuli which you and I find painful, children will tell you are painful, and the neonate, to judge from his responses, finds painful."
I would rather go with the opinion of someone who studied this field than a doctor running a clinic making money out of abortions. If I was in the doctor's position I would have to justify my reasoning by saying the fetus does not feel pain. It was obviously a concern of yours since you thought to ask a lot of questions about it. But, what if you found out later on that an 8 week old fetus did feel pain? Would you still be pro-choice?
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8 weeks! Absolutely not, no way. Remember I have seen what foetuses look like at all gestations with my own eyes, and at 8 weeks it is hardly distinguishable, it is like a small piece of pink fluff, the fluff being what they call vili. Absolutely no way is that formed anywhere near enough to have a fully or partially functioning nervous system/brain.
You may have seen the gestations, but Sir Lilley, a fetologist, did scientific experimentation. You said in your original post: 'A lot of people fail to look at these things from a medical perspective' and now I have presented something from a medical perspective and yet, you are then saying it is untrue.
On a side point. I do not think all pro-lifers are pushing their agenda for just religion. There are feminist, gay, pagan, etc pro-lifers who feel the way they do because of their own personal conviction. At a very young age I had made up my own mind it was wrong.
all fetal movement is reflexive in nature rather than purposeful, since the latter requires cognition, which is the ability to perceive and know. For cognition to occur, the cortex (gray matter covering the brain) must be present, as well as myelinization (covering sheath) of the spinal cord and attached nerves, which is not the case.
That quote was refering to a 12 week old foetus.
I believe this is taken from the Planned Parenthood website....correct me if I am wrong, but PP also has links with abortion clinics where they make arrangements for people to have abortions. At least, when I was in the U.S. that is one of the places you went to get assistance with an abortion.
Actually the gynacologists who perform abortions have all studied the field, I'd be concerned about them performing these operation if they hadn't! A lot of the ones I worked with were also midwives, and had their own families and really valued it when people had children, they saw it from both sides.
There is a different between a fetologist (a branch of medical science concerned with the study and treatment of the fetus in the uterus) and gynecologist (A gynecologist is a physician who has a successfully completed specialized education and training in the health of the female reproductive system, including the diagnosis and treatment of disorders and diseases).
Who would have more experience in studying the fetus??? Logic would tell me it is the fetologist. So, whose word bears more weight?
I remember once when I was scanning a lady who was having a late term abortion done, and in the scan I thought I saw what looked like the foetus moving away from the cannula. When I asked about this during the operation, the doctor explained that the movement was a reflex cause by the manipulation of the womb, and he stopped the operation to demonstrate it to me. He removed the cannula, and manipulated the womb externally and the foetus did the same thing, except at this stage is was likely not alive any more, so it just goes to show that the movement was in involuntary relflex caused by the connection to the uterus.
That would be logical considering the baby is surrounded by fluid. And I would expect any object in the womb would move when the water was manipulated. But, the scan (re: The Silent Scream) also presented evidence such as the heartbeat increasing.
However, you did not say the baby was definitely dead, but most likely. Well, if we go by the logic that a baby/fetus/tissue (whatever one chooses to call it) is dead, unfeeling matter anyway, then the heartbeat is a non-issue, right? Then, why is it the case that in order to check if a fetus is alive that it is the heartbeat that is always checked for SIGNS OF LIFE?
Ok...onto the next reply!
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