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ok well apparently evolution is a hot topic nowadays. and apparently catholics accept it as true? i find this interesting. wellll heres part of an email i sent recently to someone who i was discussing the topic with... if you dont want to read it all...it basically says evolution and creation (from a biblical standpoint) CANNOT COEXSIST
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That is an extremely dangerous viewpoint to be taking, and if you are taking it, then you have NOT researched creationism at all, because there is perfectly valid, scientific evidence for creation that not only proves creationism but refutes a lot of the ideas behind evolution, too.
First of all, the Earth as we know it has not been around long enough for evolution to be valid. The earth hasn't been around for billions of years, I'm sorry. Those geological strata that everyone talks about, that are supposedly representative of billions of years for every inch of earth? Well, how do you explain a tree that was found, sticking right up through several layers of the geological stratum? If each layer represents billions of years, then that tree was standing upright, not rotting, while mounds of dirt just piled up around it, and of course we know thats completely illogical. The ONLY logical answer? An incredible flood, which moved huge amounts of dirt all at once (a.k.a. noah and the flood).
Yes, evolution exists. I cannot deny the existence of some amount of natural selection or selective breeding, that would just be stupid and ignorant. But they did not shape the world as we know it.
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What evolutionist has suggested that?
"The ONLY logical answer? An incredible flood, which moved huge amounts of dirt all at once (a.k.a. noah and the flood)."
there could be plenty of logical answers, aside from a mysterious flood.
"That is an extremely dangerous viewpoint to be taking, and if you are taking it, then you have NOT researched creationism at all, because there is perfectly valid,"
Thats quite the stark assumption.
If you think position A, you obviously don't know Position A, because you cannot think This about position A, if you truely know position A.
Thats horrible logic [atleast according to aristotle, or true logic], and I fail to see how that is valid.
"Johnny is not a racist, if you think he is a racist, you obviously don't know johnny, because he's not a racist"
Anyway, Mabye he has studied creationism and he still thinks evolution is compatible with Biblical innerancy, how do you know?
in your... 17-18-19 year life, do you really expect to have an authentic true understanding of either creationism or evolution? I certainly don't have alot of understanding, and I certainly would like to be convinced.
If somebody said "evolution and christianity are compatible, to me" I might like to ask "gee, why do you think that? could you explain?" Saying "oh gee, you must not know what you are talking about" probably doesn't do anybody any good, on both sides.
My Last question.
Can intelligent design, and The bible co-exist? If not, you are going against the majority of the christian worldview for the past 1900 years.
Please answer that question, thanks joey.
Your brother in Christ,
Steven
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in reply to the "thats dangerous" response...ahem...
first off...dangerous? haha. that made me giggle. what did you mean by it?
i'm hoping by dangerous you dont mean that i am turning away from God by thinking this way, and am doomed to go to hades...but actually, i dont care...but i'm curious what you mean by it.
ummm, what evidence do you have to support your "i'm sorry" statement about the earth's age? from what ive studied, the age of the earth is found by perfectly valid methods. was that tree story of yours your evidence for the 4 billion year old earth not being true? i still dont understand where you were going with that. from what i read, it sounded like you were saying that how could a tree be present through that strata that is billions of years old? first off, i dont know if u made that up or are talking about an actual thing that happened. i'd like some proof if you have any... but going on what you gave, since i'm still unclear what your talking about, cant the tree roots grow down into the earth like normal trees? and cant they pass through that strata? if your talking about the tree's trunk being totally under the earth, in the real old strata, then i'd 1. like to see where you got this from. and 2. think that a flood of any type (or other natural events like this) could lead to something like that happening. but it's deffinately not enough to refute the MANY other things that point to the age of the earth. do you have any other "evidence" that the earth has not been around that long? and if so, how long do you think it has been around?
"Yes, evolution exists. I cannot deny the existence of some amount of natural selection or selective breeding, that would just be stupid and ignorant. But they did not shape the world as we know it."
that sounds contradictory to me bud...
you admit that evolution exists. evolution entails as you said, "natural selection or selective 'breeding'"(btw, i think you meant something else and not selective breeding...selective breeding is sorta like human controlled, not natural evolution as natural selection is). tell me how these things cannot shape this world "as we know it". evolution means change. change is when old things develop in to new things. new things=things that are in the "now". or as you put it, "life as we know it". if evolution does exist, how can it not shape the world in any way today?
i hope you dont think it is "dangerous" to explore the possibilities and in depth science of evolution, because i highly reccomend it. actually, i think a sound understanding of evolution can open new doors in your mind, and reval that there are other ways of looking at things. even scripture ;)
anyways, i'd write more, but i gotta go study for a test. heh, it's a biology test of all things, and yes, it deals with evolution actually. hehe.
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