Do you think it's possible our government could have aided, or even carried out the attacks of September 11th? Do you think that any suggestion of such a thing is ridiculous "conspiracy theory?" If so, I welcome you to read on, and even more, feel free to question me or raise any doubts you might have, or evidence you've found which contradicts
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Of course, "the right locations" are entirely dependent upon the highjacked planes' targets, which no one knew. Even if every last Air Force fight had been waiting in its assigned position, they couldn't possibly have done anything until after being given authorization to shoot down the planes, which wasn't possible in the first 50 minutes.
Why would they have to "divert?" at all, both planes were going to the same place
Draw a triangle. Any two points share a line (a heading). Yet, coming from the third point, one must draw different lines to each of the other two points.
"This, of course, has nothing to do with training exercises."
Oh, OF COURSE. How could I have been so stupid. ...And you are basing this expert opinion on what, now?
I'm basing it upon inordinately simple logic. Three planes had been confirmed highjacked. Two had already hit the World Trade Center. Then people began reporting false highjackings. Why did they report these false highjackings? Because of a training exercise in which they were not involved, or because three planes had already been confirmed highjacked and two had flown into the World Trade Center?
I lived in Washington then, less than two miles from the Pentagon. The local DC television news reported, at various times that morning, that a plane had flown into the Washington Monument, that the State Department had blown up, and that armed gunmen had stormed the Capitol. Once people realized that bad things had begun happening, they began imagining many more bad things.
However, I refuse to believe that after 2 attacks, instant mass-media coverage, and an approximate 45 minute delay, that fighters could not have been scrambled to defend the nation's capital and prevent the third plane from hitting the Pentagon.
Evidently information traveled poorly. The first two flights had gone from Boston to New York airspace, and the air traffic controllers there notified each other of their paths. Flight 77, however, was highjacked in Indianapolis airspace, but the controllers there (who had no idea what was going on in Boston/NYC) thought it had crashed when its transponder signal went off. Consequently, no one notified DC airspace controllers that 77 was on its way. At 9:24, or perhaps later, controllers at Dulles discovered an inbound plane and notified the FAA. At 9:30, fighters from Langley were scrambled, but given confusing orders that resulted in them flying out over the Atlantic rather than to Washington, and in any event they had not been given shoot-down orders. At 9:37, Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. So, only 13 minutes passed between the time anyone realized a plane was headed for Washington and the time of impact. And in that time, still, no one had given shoot-down orders.
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Yes, WHY? And again, WHY? When it is clear that they should have been given shoot down orders by that point. These questions remain completely unanswered - not even addressed.
"At 9:37, Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. So, only 13 minutes passed between the time anyone realized a plane was headed for Washington and the time of impact. And in that time, still, no one had given shoot-down orders."
We're talking about possibly the most controlled airspace in the entire country. WHY was it not protected that morning when two attacks on high profile targets had already occured, and would have been obvious to anyone so much as watching the news, well before hand? I guess they just weren't being "pro-active" enough...
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31 minutes passed between the time Bush was informed of the second Trade Center strike and the time Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. He wasted about half that time continuing with his photo op and holding a press conference at the school. Then the Secret Service rushed him into a car and to the airport. Apparently they feared an attack on the motorcade. I think it's entirely reasonable to conclude that, in those 15 or so minutes after the photo-up, Bush did not have the time to process all of the information and authorize shoot-down orders for any and all commercial airliners (there is no evidence that he had been specifically informed of the threat from Flight 77 at that point). Is it his fault that he didn't leave the photo-op immediately? Yes. But that doesn't prove a grand conspiracy.
WHY was it not protected that morning when two attacks on high profile targets had already occured
Once again, only 34 minutes passed between the time Flight 175 hit the World Trade Center and the time Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. In that time, the military did scramble fighters. They did attempt to protect DC airspace, although they didn't do so quickly enough. You apparently believe that the three jets going out of Langley were deliberately given confusing orders, rather than simply being confused in the uncoordinated rush to deal with an unprecedented and rapidly evolving situation. I don't think you have any evidence at all for your belief. But even if you're right, note that you've completely given up your original assumption that the ongoing wargames interfered with air defense, and now assert a deliberate and sinister order to mislead defensive measures.
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No. since many of the planes that were diverted would likely have been undergoing routine patrols and training excercises on the east coast, and would have already been in the air, thus not even requiring scrambling planes on the ground.
http://www.standdown.net/noradseptember182001pressrelease.htm.
From what I understand, these are NORAD's response times. After the second plane hit the world trade center at 9:02, why weren't fighters immediately scrambled from Langley to patrol the skies above the nation's capitol in response to multiple hijackings and obvious (by then) terrorist attacks on high profile targets? NORAD obviously knew something was amiss since it first scrambled fighters at 8:52. Yet... no. They apparently waited until 9:30 to even get fucking fighters off the ground at Langley. It makes absolutely no sense.
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