Want the proof that 9/11 was an inside job?
Do you think it's possible our government could have aided, or even carried out the attacks of September 11th? Do you think that any suggestion of such a thing is ridiculous "conspiracy theory?" If so, I welcome you to read on, and even more, feel free to question me or raise any doubts you might have, or evidence you've found which contradicts
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If they would have occured on any other day, there would be no confusion as to whether the hijackings were real or not, and there would have been plenty of fighter jets ready to scramble to defend our skies.
You assume that the attacks only succeeded because there was "confusion as to whether [they] were real or not" and because there were not "plenty of fighter jets ready to scramble". Both of these are wrong.
Start with the second. How many fighter planes does it take to shoot down a defenseless lumbering commercial jet? Exactly 1. Unless your claim is that every last fighter jet stationed on the eastern seaboard was away in Alaska, then your argument fails. And if that is your claim, you are lying, so your argument also fails.
As to the alleged confusion. Look at the timeline here. Flight 11, the first plane taken over, was highjacked at 8:13am. By 8:24, Boston flight controllers had heard terrorists speaking over the radio. There is no suggestion that anyone was "confused" about there being a highjacking. From this point forward, the FAA and American Airlines knew the plane had been highjacked, but they didn't inform NORAD for more than 10 minutes because the person responsible for military contact was out of the office. Shortly after 8:37, NORAD gave orders to scramble fighters. At 8:46, the plane hit the World Trade Center.
In the meantime, Flight 175 was highjacked around 8:42; flight controllers formally declared this 9 minutes later. Sometime between 8:50 and 8:56, Flight 77 was also highjacked. At 8:52, two fighter planes left Otis Air Force Base headed to intercept Flight 11 (which by then had already crashed) and instead divert to head off Flight 175. At 9:03, Flight 175 hit the Trade Center. The fighter planes were at least 60 miles away still. Around 9:09, numerous erroneous reports of other highjackings - inspired by the three already reported - began coming in, resulting in confusion. This, of course, has nothing to do with training exercises.
And onward. The point is that 33 minutes passed between the time the first plane was highjacked and the time it crashed. During that time, the Boston flight controllers identified that it had been highjacked, the FAA notified NORAD, and fighters were scrambled. There is no reason to believe that this would have happened any faster if the wargames had not been ongoing. Importantly, the Boston flight controllers were not involved in the wargames, so it makes no sense to suggest that they had false blips on their radar or were unclear about the authenticity of the highjacking.
There simply wasn't enough time for Flight 11 to be shot down. The wargames are completely irrelevant to this fact. Besides, until the planes hit the Trade Center, there was no reason to shoot them down. Highjackers usually do not deliberately fly into buildings, and civilian air traffic controller do not have the authority to order the military to shoot down civilian airliners. Those with the authority to gives such orders (Bush and perhaps Rumsfeld and Cheney) were not even notified that terrorist activities were underway until after the second plane had hit. That lack of suspicion, along with the fact that only 50 minutes passed between the first highjacking and the second attack is enough to explain why the planes were not stopped. The wargames are irrelevant.
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No, I'm not claiming that. Nor does that have to be true for my argument to be correct. They just had to have not enough planes in the right locations (i.e. locations where they could have intercepted the hijacked planes in a more timely manner) for my argument to be correct.
You want so bad to prove me wrong... try going to any of the links I have provided and proving all of the information there wrong, point by point. Because as it is, you're arguing from an incredibly limited viewpoint, using flawed and incomplete information.
"At 8:52, two fighter planes left Otis Air Force Base headed to intercept Flight 11 (which by then had already crashed) and instead divert to head off Flight 175"
Why would they have to "divert?" at all, both planes were going to the same place: New York City? Obviously they would have known the heading of the plane... they don't stand still after all. Unless you're suggesting that fighter jets have to fly around blindly until the pilots can physically see their targets. Fighters had intercepted off course (read: not even hijacked) planes in years previous, I see no reason why it would have been any harder to do so on 9/11 (except for of course the wargames, as I mentioned).
"numerous erroneous reports of other highjackings - inspired by the three already reported - began coming in, resulting in confusion. This, of course, has nothing to do with training exercises."
"This, of course, has nothing to do with training exercises."
Oh, OF COURSE. How could I have been so stupid. ...And you are basing this expert opinion on what, now?
"There is no reason to believe that this would have happened any faster if the wargames had not been ongoing."
Wrong, because as I said earlier there were planes that would have been in closer locations to intercept, had they not been diverted by the wargames. By the way, none of this was even MENTIONED in any of the official government investigations, do you have any explaination for why THAT might be?
"There simply wasn't enough time for Flight 11 to be shot down."
This may be true, as it was the first plane to crash. I will give you that it MAY have also been impossible to intercept the second plane which crashed into the WTC, as they were only about 15 minutes apart. However, I refuse to believe that after 2 attacks, instant mass-media coverage, and an approximate 45 minute delay, that fighters could not have been scrambled to defend the nation's capital and prevent the third plane from hitting the Pentagon. Especially when drills for this possibility (a commercial airliner hitting the Pentagon) had been conducted the very year before.
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Of course, "the right locations" are entirely dependent upon the highjacked planes' targets, which no one knew. Even if every last Air Force fight had been waiting in its assigned position, they couldn't possibly have done anything until after being given authorization to shoot down the planes, which wasn't possible in the first 50 minutes.
Why would they have to "divert?" at all, both planes were going to the same place
Draw a triangle. Any two points share a line (a heading). Yet, coming from the third point, one must draw different lines to each of the other two points.
"This, of course, has nothing to do with training exercises."
Oh, OF COURSE. How could I have been so stupid. ...And you are basing this expert opinion on what, now?
I'm basing it upon inordinately simple logic. Three planes had been confirmed highjacked. Two had already hit the World Trade Center. Then people began reporting false highjackings. Why did they report these false highjackings? Because of a training exercise in which they were not involved, or because three planes had already been confirmed highjacked and two had flown into the World Trade Center?
I lived in Washington then, less than two miles from the Pentagon. The local DC television news reported, at various times that morning, that a plane had flown into the Washington Monument, that the State Department had blown up, and that armed gunmen had stormed the Capitol. Once people realized that bad things had begun happening, they began imagining many more bad things.
However, I refuse to believe that after 2 attacks, instant mass-media coverage, and an approximate 45 minute delay, that fighters could not have been scrambled to defend the nation's capital and prevent the third plane from hitting the Pentagon.
Evidently information traveled poorly. The first two flights had gone from Boston to New York airspace, and the air traffic controllers there notified each other of their paths. Flight 77, however, was highjacked in Indianapolis airspace, but the controllers there (who had no idea what was going on in Boston/NYC) thought it had crashed when its transponder signal went off. Consequently, no one notified DC airspace controllers that 77 was on its way. At 9:24, or perhaps later, controllers at Dulles discovered an inbound plane and notified the FAA. At 9:30, fighters from Langley were scrambled, but given confusing orders that resulted in them flying out over the Atlantic rather than to Washington, and in any event they had not been given shoot-down orders. At 9:37, Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. So, only 13 minutes passed between the time anyone realized a plane was headed for Washington and the time of impact. And in that time, still, no one had given shoot-down orders.
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Yes, WHY? And again, WHY? When it is clear that they should have been given shoot down orders by that point. These questions remain completely unanswered - not even addressed.
"At 9:37, Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. So, only 13 minutes passed between the time anyone realized a plane was headed for Washington and the time of impact. And in that time, still, no one had given shoot-down orders."
We're talking about possibly the most controlled airspace in the entire country. WHY was it not protected that morning when two attacks on high profile targets had already occured, and would have been obvious to anyone so much as watching the news, well before hand? I guess they just weren't being "pro-active" enough...
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31 minutes passed between the time Bush was informed of the second Trade Center strike and the time Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. He wasted about half that time continuing with his photo op and holding a press conference at the school. Then the Secret Service rushed him into a car and to the airport. Apparently they feared an attack on the motorcade. I think it's entirely reasonable to conclude that, in those 15 or so minutes after the photo-up, Bush did not have the time to process all of the information and authorize shoot-down orders for any and all commercial airliners (there is no evidence that he had been specifically informed of the threat from Flight 77 at that point). Is it his fault that he didn't leave the photo-op immediately? Yes. But that doesn't prove a grand conspiracy.
WHY was it not protected that morning when two attacks on high profile targets had already occured
Once again, only 34 minutes passed between the time Flight 175 hit the World Trade Center and the time Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. In that time, the military did scramble fighters. They did attempt to protect DC airspace, although they didn't do so quickly enough. You apparently believe that the three jets going out of Langley were deliberately given confusing orders, rather than simply being confused in the uncoordinated rush to deal with an unprecedented and rapidly evolving situation. I don't think you have any evidence at all for your belief. But even if you're right, note that you've completely given up your original assumption that the ongoing wargames interfered with air defense, and now assert a deliberate and sinister order to mislead defensive measures.
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No. since many of the planes that were diverted would likely have been undergoing routine patrols and training excercises on the east coast, and would have already been in the air, thus not even requiring scrambling planes on the ground.
http://www.standdown.net/noradseptember182001pressrelease.htm.
From what I understand, these are NORAD's response times. After the second plane hit the world trade center at 9:02, why weren't fighters immediately scrambled from Langley to patrol the skies above the nation's capitol in response to multiple hijackings and obvious (by then) terrorist attacks on high profile targets? NORAD obviously knew something was amiss since it first scrambled fighters at 8:52. Yet... no. They apparently waited until 9:30 to even get fucking fighters off the ground at Langley. It makes absolutely no sense.
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Where are you getting this information? Because to my knowledge, it is wrong. In fact, Bush has even claimed that he saw the first plane hit the tower (which is impossible as no footage of that was recovered until later). Now granted, he may have miss-spoke in saying he saw the first plane hit, but clearly he admitted that he saw one of the planes hit (which still doesn't make much sense). The time period he gives for this is before his meeting with the school children. So he admitted that he heard about the first plane hitting, before his little PR stunt (he claimed at that time, he thought it must have been an accident). The famous footage of the person coming up and whispering in his ear, is of when he was told that the second plane hit. All this is beside the point, as there should have been no lack of suspicion, considering THE GOVERNMENT KNEW OF THE POSSIBILTY OF USING PLANES AS WEAPONS AND IN FACT PLANNED FOR IT. Not to mention all the no-fly warnings given in the weeks leading up to the attacks. It is quite obvious that SOMEONE knew that attacks were imminent and was warning GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. I don't think Al Qaeda did that. So to say that the government was caught unaware by this is pure media-fed propaganda. Regardless of all that, with modern fucking communications technology, you're trying telling me that 2 hijacked planes hit the world trade center - I was watching it on CNN before the second plane hit - and the president doesn't even know there's anything going on before a third plane has a chance to hit the Pentagon 45 minutes later?
In closing, you say the wargames are irrelevant but you really have nothing to support your claims. It is true that they scrambled, I believe, 2 fighter jets - yet sources I have seen reported that even they were ordered to stay at a speed well below their top speed... I will see if I can find a link to this information, and post it here.
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It is quite obvious that SOMEONE knew that attacks were imminent and was warning GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.
That's not obvious at all. Some officials had speculated about the possibility that Al Qaeda would do something involving aircraft. Apparently George Tenet's first thought on hearing of the second Trade Center hit was to wonder if the recent reports of terrorists seeking flight training might be related. Yes, they had evidence that, had they been smarter and more organized, might have allowed them to predict the attacks. But that only proves that they were stupid or disorganized. It certainly doesn't prove that they "knew" about the attacks and deliberately scheduled several military exercises to coincide with them.
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