Germany's fourth reich

[allaboutweather]

While we all know that merkel is an islamophile by allowing thousands of islamic refugees to cross into germany without asking the german people first, she now wants to suppress any criticism of islam with the help of mark fuc, i mean zuckerberg. (thanks to lather2002 for finding this

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[joshthevegan]

"When the limits of free speech are trespassed, when it is about criminal expressions, sedition, incitement to carry out criminal offences that threaten people, such content has to be deleted from the net,” Mr Maas said."

Am I understanding this properly? The speech that they are looking to limit is that which specifically threatens other humans, right? It's not just "negative" things being said about Islam, but rather things that could be construed as threatening or terrorist-like. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

ETA:

It also seems silly to me the recent trend of getting up and arms and throwing around words like "censorship" any time an owner of a social media site says that they will not tolerate dangerous and / or hateful speech. They don't have to allow you to say anything there, they own the space. That's the beauty of freedom and one of the good things about capitalism: the private owner of a company gets to decide the rules of engagement there. Want a social media site where you can threaten the lives of innocent people, by all means bootstrap yourself one and post away.

[allaboutweather]

There you go again pulling the race card, oh wait, islam is not a race. There are muslims of all races. Not only that, but you twist my words into assuming i'm defending actual threats (which i am not). Liberals bash christians constantly so why should muslims be above criticism? Try saying something slightly bad about muslims in a muslim-majority country. You're failing as painting muslims as victims.

Anyway, the question is what do they define as hate speech and threats? That's the slippery slope. And where am i threatening innocent people? Great job twisting my words like you did when i talked about sexism being a two-way street.

Also, did anyone do anything about Tashfeen Malik posting about becoming a radical and martyr in 2013? No.

[joshthevegan]

Race card? Can you point out exactly where I said anything about race? I'm genuinely confused as to what you mean.

I copy-pasted a quote from the linked (highly partisan) blog post in which they are clarifying what type of thing they are talking about. There doesn't seem to be any real indicator that anything but genuinely terrorist-like threats are what they are looking to have taken down and look into. The blog post just seems like fear-mongering. Believe me, Islam as a religion is every bit as stupid as Xianity. I have no problem people making points as to why the religion is stupid. The difference becomes when those concepts become associated with the people that adhere to them and threats are made against them. Laughing at Xians is a fun passtime, but never would I allow anyone to say threatening things about people that believe that silliness.

ETA:

Since you seemed to miss it on my first comment, this is where I was getting the thing about threats (from the linked blog):

when it is about criminal expressions, sedition, incitement to carry out criminal offences that threaten people, such content has to be deleted from the net

[kharmii]

-Depends on if the speech is actually dangerous or hateful. Whenever this issue comes up, it's usually from a feminist who doesn't like disagreement or some left-winger using a favored pc-group to thought police. I'd imagine a situation like this is the ultimate goal of all crybullies.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/christie-blatchford-ruling-in-twitter-harassment-trial-could-have-enormous-fallout-for-free-speech

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/19/a-life-ruined-by-feminists-and-the-state-only-the-internet-can-save-gregory-alan-elliott/

[joshthevegan]

You'll have to forgive me for completely disregarding anything from Breitbart.

I think by "a feminist who doesn't like disagreement" you mean "women who are dangerously and consistently harassed by men online for having the audacity to be a woman with opinions". That seems a bit more accurate.