I'm sure endoxoslj can debunk this quite easily, as I've seen her do so before, but perhaps a reaction from a male would help.
There are plenty of communities and spaces where sexism can be discussed between men, women, and other gender configurations. That doesn't mean a safe and private space for certain groups is uncalled for, nor that it contributes to the sexism problem. Whether because the members have been discriminated against and want some space and distance from possible discrimination, or because they want to talk among like-minded people without having to explain themselves, or because they want space to explore issues and be themselves without having their posts or comments scrutinized by nosy and troublesome people, creating this space doesn't add to sexism. It creates a space for people to deal with sexism, explore it, discuss it, and hopefully contribute to ending sexism.
Is there some reason that men can't recognize and want to discuss problems women face in academia?Excellent question. I suggest you start a dialog on other
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Sadly, not the comment has been deleted now. But thank you for your comment. I was expecting a few of these types of comments and had decided that I wouldn't engage them since they sort of justify the existence of the new comm anyway.
"The reasons have nothing to do with being against men or seeing men as a problem."
Actually, wouldn't it be fairer to say that the attitudes of some men are a problem, and therefore an excellent raison d'être for such groups to exist?
You could argue that it "justifies" both, but assuming that anything needs justification might represent a problem in itself. Live and let live, I say...
Besides, I've always regarded signs on toilet doors as useful, rather than as devices or symbols of oppression. ;o)
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There are plenty of communities and spaces where sexism can be discussed between men, women, and other gender configurations. That doesn't mean a safe and private space for certain groups is uncalled for, nor that it contributes to the sexism problem. Whether because the members have been discriminated against and want some space and distance from possible discrimination, or because they want to talk among like-minded people without having to explain themselves, or because they want space to explore issues and be themselves without having their posts or comments scrutinized by nosy and troublesome people, creating this space doesn't add to sexism. It creates a space for people to deal with sexism, explore it, discuss it, and hopefully contribute to ending sexism.
Is there some reason that men can't recognize and want to discuss problems women face in academia?Excellent question. I suggest you start a dialog on other ( ... )
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Yep. But realizing that would require a level of self-reflection he seemed incapable of. :)
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Actually, wouldn't it be fairer to say that the attitudes of some men are a problem, and therefore an excellent raison d'être for such groups to exist?
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Besides, I've always regarded signs on toilet doors as useful, rather than as devices or symbols of oppression. ;o)
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Well there are some lines that true equality should never cross after all..
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Spoken like someone who doesn't usually get thrown out of bathrooms for not looking enough like the signs on the door. ;c)
< / obligatory one-off queer-activist comment >
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That's one way of avoiding the 'problem' (if it's one you've genuinely experienced).
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