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private - ardent just got back. and is baffled. deepdowndark January 10 2011, 14:15:15 UTC
Absolutely.

Are you sure I can't kick him out?

...I know you said no questions, Doctor, so don't answer if you don't want. But... what in the name of Tak is going on here? I was gone... a few days, right, and the place is somewhere between a ghost ship and a bubbling pit of anger. I missed something, clearly.

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Re: private - poor ardent! a_bit_put_upon January 10 2011, 16:27:50 UTC
Only if he misbehaves in a way detrimental to the books or the people.

I granted Coyolxauhqui a chance to speak to her family, to raise her spirits a bit. She abused the privilege and somehow managed to summon them here without her powers, and a mass sacrifice was attempted and failed. I'll assume that those who didn't die were possessed by extraneous deities, injured or in hiding.

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Re: private - deepdowndark January 10 2011, 16:32:59 UTC
His existence is detrimental to that.

...I see. I've heard some of the story. I imagine a lot of people aren't too happy that are left alive, right?

Even so, gods will be gods.

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Re: private a_bit_put_upon January 10 2011, 23:02:34 UTC
No, his existence is simply an annoyance, but I know you're above letting it niggle you. You're made of stern stuff, and on occasion, he means well.

You're correct; they aren't happy. But they aren't mentally equipped to simply accept that gods will be gods, for the most part, and this sort of environment doesn't help matters at all. This isn't the right sort of place for deities to be bound in, nor the place for humanity to be exposed to a mythos.

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Re: private deepdowndark January 10 2011, 23:09:06 UTC
Humans will, also, Doctor, be humans.

That being said, they shouldn't be angry at you. You didn't abuse the powers you were given.

[Ardent, who's been sitting carefully on two weapons for a while now, is just a tad bitter.]

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Re: private a_bit_put_upon January 11 2011, 00:37:43 UTC
They need to be angry at something. Better to be angry at something that will apologise at some point and make them feel vindicated, rather than at something that will either attempt to kill them or give them an arbitrary dish of baked goods.

[Oh, if only Ardent knew what kind of power the Doctor sits on ALL THE TIME. But it'd be horribly complicated and silly. :c ]

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Re: private deepdowndark January 11 2011, 00:44:35 UTC
Of course they do. It's a very human reaction.

Even so, you've got my sympathies. She hasn't, but you do.

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Re: private a_bit_put_upon January 11 2011, 02:12:32 UTC
And why hasn't she, if I might ask?

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Re: private deepdowndark January 11 2011, 02:17:25 UTC
Because I never particularly enjoyed the human traditions of worship to their gods in the first place.

And I told a friend of mine that the methods by which she worshipped her gods were her mistake. That killing to get her gods to listen would not work. I will be held to those words, and I do not exercise double standards.

That does not mean I hated her, though. I liked her quite dearly, for a human, you understand. But I did not give sympathy where she did not deserve it because of that.

[Well, except between humans and Dwarfs and trolls, but hey.]

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Re: private a_bit_put_upon January 11 2011, 03:03:37 UTC
Ah, but your friend's situation is different, while only one element is the same. Her folly lay in her method of worship, and her faith in gods that, for all we know, may not exist. Yet she was well aware of other beliefs, and simply disregarded them as inapplicable to her. This is common practice and, I'm sorry to say, not only in humans.

Coyolxauhqui is not a worshipper, but a deity in and of herself. She is her religion, and therefore doesn't see it as such. She exists, and intrinsically doesn't understand that her ways are inapplicable to those not under her jurisdiction. What's more, she was ripped from a cycle she must endure as long as her pantheon lives, and here, she's unable to meet her own criteria.

What she did was very wrong to everyone around her--including me--and she may yet come to understand this, but here, she's like unto a beast in a trap. She knows little else, and did what in any other circumstance would prove fruitful. Her folly, then, is not in misplaced faith, but in that she herself is misplaced ( ... )

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Re: private deepdowndark January 11 2011, 14:16:31 UTC
I understand they are different situations, but I feel I would... I would betray someone I corrected on something if I said it was alright for someone else. Whether they are a god or not, I feel I would. It might not entirely be just, but I would.

I... I have difficulty with the concept of gods wanting sacrifice, or... anything, to be honest.

Equally, I... I don't know, I find that kind of action a little selfish. Because I do believe that there are circumstances where one life, for the sake of the well being of the many, of the community, of the people, is worth sacrificing. Is worth killing. I could empathise with Rose on that - her and her people killed one man because they thought it would keep her island from starving. It didn't work, but that's almost beside the point.

But... she gave, well, according to some, fourteen lives, for one person's well being. Hers. I'm only working on what I was told, but she did it for her own sake. Not for her people's sake, not for her other god's sake, but because... well, I don't know why, ( ... )

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