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Let the season begin

Apr 11, 2009 00:47

I'm really happy to not be sick any more. Luckily I got pretty good by the time my birthday came around. Which was great. Mostly people from my cluster and some other UW friends of mine came up, smoked cigars, and got more than buzzed off of various exotic alcohols. It was mostly a really great night, though, especially since it's the first time I' ( Read more... )

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lux_angelis April 12 2009, 05:42:10 UTC

e're all sinners, and UW like any other college is no stranger to the sin of indulgence, and repentance is something incredibly important. However, Jesus and Christianity are largely special for their proclamation of forgiveness, for unconditional love, and the sacrifice that Jesus made. These Christians seem to ignore that completely. Sure, God can be vengeful, and if we lead evil lives only evil will come of it, but almost every religion says that. Christianity is supposed to be about how anyone, no matter how weak and how sinful, can be saved.Thank you. THIS is what I bitch about. Christianity (and Islam, actually) are religions of the people. Everyone is equal in the eyes of god, everyone is loved. I can deal with people telling me I should be Christian and god loves me; it's the ones who tell me I HAVE to be Christian and if I don't I'm condemned to an eternity in hell that piss me off. Scare-tactics are not Christian. Saying you believe in god/Jesus and not living any lifestyle that remotely hints at that isn't going to put you ( ... )

5tarry_nights April 12 2009, 20:30:32 UTC

I understand exactly why so many fundamentalist Protestants insist that the Bible must be taken literally. They want to live very conservative lifestyles, and justify with the Bible, and they deny other interpretations of the Bible by saying they're not taking it literally. It's meant to protect their conservative views of the Bible ( ... )

lux_angelis April 13 2009, 01:57:07 UTC

If someone wants to live by the bible in it's literal sense then they can have fun with it, but they're going to have a nearly impossible time of it unless they pick & choose which verses they want to live by (which they all seem to do). I can bet you at least half of them wear clothes with more than one fabric in them.

That whole 3rd paragraph? I try to explain that to people and they get mad.

Sure, saints may be idols, but most of them were gods before sainthood. A whooole bunch of them were local gods/religious figures that were incorporated into Christianity to make the transition easier. So I figure they're at least doubly strong, all the better to pray to. And I agree about the worshiping of the book. Hell, even worshiping Christ is idolatry because he isn't god. He was the SON of, but not THE. So you're still worshiping someone/thing who isn't god.

5tarry_nights April 13 2009, 02:11:30 UTC

No, Jesus is God. He's the son of God, but IS God. Muslims call Christians idolaters for this, saying Jesus was only a prophet.

Look up the Trinity. God consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. St. Patrick explains that God is a trinity just like a clover leaf, three and one at the same time.

lux_angelis April 13 2009, 02:14:54 UTC

Jesus said he wasn't god. He said he was the son of god.

5tarry_nights April 13 2009, 02:19:08 UTC

Find me proof of this. Jesus made it pretty clear he was divine.

By the way, saying you're the son of God, implies you're of the same flesh and blood.

rangeley0121 April 13 2009, 02:29:51 UTC

He said "I and the Father are one," which all ties into the Trinity. He definitely never said he wasn't God.

lux_angelis April 13 2009, 02:30:25 UTC

He repeatedly calls god his father, how can he be his father and himself?

He also said we're ALL the children of god, so that would mean we're all god's flesh and blood.

5tarry_nights April 13 2009, 02:36:59 UTC

Matthew 28:19-20. "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you."

From Wikipedia: Thus John introduces a seemingly impossible contradiction, that Jesus both "was with God" and "was God" at the same time, and that was true from the beginning of creation. John also portrays Jesus Christ as the creator of the Universe, such that "without him nothing was made that has been made,"

The seeming contradiction in the Trinity is why so many Christian theologians come up with explanations for it, like St. Patrick. There's a single Godhead, of the same substance, but that exists are three entities. "the one God exists in three Persons and one substance, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."

Mormons slightly disagree with this, and Unitarians refuse the Trinity altogether. This is why Mormons and Unitarians as Christians is questionable to so many.

lux_angelis April 13 2009, 02:41:28 UTC

http://www3.sympatico.ca/shabir.ally/new_page_26.htm
According to this site the belief has changed over time.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/interp/jesus_God.html
This one shows both sides.

Lol, I had to double-check...I'm doing research about Nigeria and I almost sent you the link for that. Probably not as interesting to you :)

5tarry_nights April 13 2009, 02:56:49 UTC

The belief has changed over time. Some original Christians disagreed with this. That's nothing new.

lux_angelis April 13 2009, 02:58:42 UTC

I disagree with it and there are biblical verses to back us both up. Oh, well. We're both right and we're both wrong. Not anything new with religion, politics, anything...

5tarry_nights April 13 2009, 03:01:06 UTC

There are Biblical verses for both, but the vast majority of Christian theology backs my argument up. The Trinity is the only tenant of Christianity.

You don't have to agree with it, but you'll guarantee a strong Christian won't listen to a single theological argument of yours. It seems like a petty way to try and undermine Christianity.

lux_angelis April 13 2009, 03:10:50 UTC

I know lots of Christians who don't believe in the Trinity. All of my Protestant relatives, for example.

I'm not trying to undermine it, I was just raised to believe that Jesus was a man. I don't think he was god and I am pretty sure there are verses somewhere or speeches he made where he says that. I don't know where, so oh well.

One thing I don't understand and have argued for hours about (to change the topic some) is why people say, "She's not Christian, she's Catholic." ...no, Catholicism is a Christian denomination. It was the only one for centuries. But non-Catholics will refuse to believe that, no matter what I say.

5tarry_nights April 13 2009, 03:21:09 UTC

The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church describes the Trinity as "the central dogma of Christian theology".

Talk to your Protestant relatives some more, if what you're saying about them is true, then they're not believers in a Christian church (unless they're Unitarian). No Protestant church claims Jesus wasn't God. Which is fine and all, but they're not really good representatives of Christianity then.

lux_angelis April 13 2009, 03:22:28 UTC

they're not really good representatives of Christianity then
I'd agree with that. The vast majority of Bible-Belt Christians aren't.

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