You know, it hit me the other night that maybe Angela *knew* there was a way out, and she was only trying to convince Nathan and Claire that there wasn't because she didn't want whatever future that would bring about. And, not necessarily in the cold, calculating way we think.
She knew that Peter wouldn't die when he blew up, but there's now a possibility that Nathan's . . . Yeah, don't want to think too hard on that. But . . . She might have been trying to protect Nathan from dying and Peter from blaming himself for his brother's death. (This is comic book style, so even if they think Peter is dead, that doesn't mean he is, or that he won't come back.) If she does have prophetic dreams . . . ::shrugs:: But I, too, was thinking that was Angela's power. ::nods::
Hmm. That is certainly a much kinder take on her character than I have. But I can see how that would make sense. Especially in light of her comments to Nathan about not going to Texas to see Claire because underneath it all he was a sap. And that could work for her reaction to Claire running off, too... because she knew that, ultimately, Claire wouldn't die, either.
Very cool. That's definitely an angle I hadn't considered. I like it!
It's just speculation. Right now, I'm not prepared to even say it's my opinion. ::laughs:: I mean, they did a damn good job of convincing us that Noah was a total bad guy, but look how that turned out! Plus? I watched Tim Kring's last series (Carnivale, which I adored) and things twisted and twisted and just . . . You can never be sure! ::laughs::
Plus, I'd like to think her earlier characterization still fits in there, somehow. I liked her a lot better then. *G*
Hee. I, personally, never believed Noah was a bad guy. But then, that's coming from a devoted Ethan fan, so my standards are odd. LOL.
I know what you mean about not wanting to commit to it even being an opinion. lol. I kind of hate posting spec in my journal because I feel like it ties me down, when I really just want to think about things. But conversations have to start somewhere! I love it when people disagree. That's when it gets interesting.
Mom Petrelli is, at the moment, the character I'm most interested in, for many of the reasons that I've been interested in Noah Bennett. Complexity, and hidden motives. The writers have kept so many possibilities open with her, and I think they have an actor in Cristine Rose capable of rising to the challenge.
I had thought that Peter's dreams came from Charles, but I see why they can't, so wow. Angela as source, with all that might suggest, huh! Explains her certainty about the explosion.
*nods* Though the next commenter down suggested something I had thought of, either... Dad Petrelli being the prophetic dreamer. Ooo. Possiblities!
And yeah, she could definitely be hiding something. And it would be neat to see her earlier character integrated with her later character. Hopefully, the show will do that more in the next volume... sounds like (from the title) it will definitely be delving into the history a bit.
I wonder actually if it was Pa Petrelli who had the dreams? Maybe that's why he offed himself. The future *was* pretty bleak. However, I've been thinking that it must be Ma Petrelli with the dreams, though Charles dreamt about Peter just before he died, and Peter had the exact same dream, which made me think it was from him.
I wonder actually if it was Pa Petrelli who had the dreams? Maybe that's why he offed himself.
Ooo, I love that, and it hadn't even crossed my mind. What a cool idea. And if Peter's powers are activated by thinking about the person, it would make sense that he was thinking about his Dad a lot, after he didn't come to his party and after he died.
Yeah, the shared dreams between Charles and Peter are kind of a monkey wrench in the whole thing, though.
For some reason my mind just jumped to an experience with guided meditation I had once. The counselor put me into a sort of half-trance state which eventually led to her narrating/guiding an interaction in the "place" I was in in my head: "You meet with a person who is close to you, who knows you very well. Can you see them? [yes] Ask them the a question, something you're struggling with. [I ask them] What was their response?" Okay, so I got an answer from the person I was imagining, and it was exactly the answer I needed, the answer I already had, but I just couldn't reach it. The guided meditation was a device to get to what I already knew
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Charles would be the obvious one, based on the dream sequence or whatever it was in the finale, and the fact that we *see* Peter having one of those dreams when he is specifically right next to Charles, but... Peter had one of those dreams (when he saw Nathan and Heidi's accident) the night of his nursing graduation party, which suggests that he didn't yet know his patient, Charles, which sort of points to Angela being the one with the dreaming power.I'd casually say there is also the possibility that the accident wasn't on the night of Peter's graduation party, simply because both Heidi and Nathan are wearing completely different clothes when they are in the car and because Nathan tells Peter later that Angela is watching the kids, and she had been on the party as well. So Peter could already have known Charles by then
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I'd casually say there is also the possibility that the accident wasn't on the night of Peter's graduation party
Oh. Wow, that... Ooo. That's a totally new puzzle piece for me. LOL. *now resisting the urge to go back and check out their outfits. Aw, heck, I know I'm going to.*
Well, if it wasn't, then that *would* make it possible that he picked up the dream thing from Charles. (And it would also seem to imply that Peter and Nathan manifested their abilities at virtually the same time. Aw!)
Because, yeah, to me it makes more sense given the rest of the context that Charles was the dreamer.
If they had a precog, who knows what future they saw before they came up with the bomb plan.
Huh. I hadn't really thought of it that way, before. That's interesting, though. Assuming, of course, that the bomb wasn't *always* going to happen, and they were just reacting to it, which is sort of what Angela and Charles conversation seemed to suggest.
Also, hi, btw.
Hi and welcome! I'm always looking to meet more Heroes fen! :)
Actually, I think it was suggested that Nathan has known about his abilities for a while now. From what we can see at the beginning of abilities, they aren't powerful and they don't always work right.
I dunno. He was clearly out of control of it during the car accident (which is the time I was thinking of, given that Nathan flew and Peter had a prophetic dream at almost the same moment), and while he did manage to fly up to catch Peter... he also dropped him, so I'm not sure how much of that was control and how much was instinct. I do think that we see Nathan gaining more control over the season, comparing his rather crash-like landing in Vegas to his light, controlled touch-down in HTSAEM.
Huh. Well, that's something to consider then. *g* And I can see how being a precog could lead to Angela being so cynical, too. (dang it, I need a Ma Petrelli icon, now. :P )
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She knew that Peter wouldn't die when he blew up, but there's now a possibility that Nathan's . . . Yeah, don't want to think too hard on that. But . . . She might have been trying to protect Nathan from dying and Peter from blaming himself for his brother's death. (This is comic book style, so even if they think Peter is dead, that doesn't mean he is, or that he won't come back.) If she does have prophetic dreams . . . ::shrugs:: But I, too, was thinking that was Angela's power. ::nods::
I'm not sure that made any sense.
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Very cool. That's definitely an angle I hadn't considered. I like it!
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Plus, I'd like to think her earlier characterization still fits in there, somehow. I liked her a lot better then. *G*
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I know what you mean about not wanting to commit to it even being an opinion. lol. I kind of hate posting spec in my journal because I feel like it ties me down, when I really just want to think about things. But conversations have to start somewhere! I love it when people disagree. That's when it gets interesting.
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I had thought that Peter's dreams came from Charles, but I see why they can't, so wow. Angela as source, with all that might suggest, huh! Explains her certainty about the explosion.
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And yeah, she could definitely be hiding something. And it would be neat to see her earlier character integrated with her later character. Hopefully, the show will do that more in the next volume... sounds like (from the title) it will definitely be delving into the history a bit.
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I hope they bring it out in the comic.
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Ooo, I love that, and it hadn't even crossed my mind. What a cool idea. And if Peter's powers are activated by thinking about the person, it would make sense that he was thinking about his Dad a lot, after he didn't come to his party and after he died.
Yeah, the shared dreams between Charles and Peter are kind of a monkey wrench in the whole thing, though.
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For some reason my mind just jumped to an experience with guided meditation I had once. The counselor put me into a sort of half-trance state which eventually led to her narrating/guiding an interaction in the "place" I was in in my head: "You meet with a person who is close to you, who knows you very well. Can you see them? [yes] Ask them the a question, something you're struggling with. [I ask them] What was their response?" Okay, so I got an answer from the person I was imagining, and it was exactly the answer I needed, the answer I already had, but I just couldn't reach it. The guided meditation was a device to get to what I already knew ( ... )
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*nods* that's a good point, too.
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Oh. Wow, that... Ooo. That's a totally new puzzle piece for me. LOL. *now resisting the urge to go back and check out their outfits. Aw, heck, I know I'm going to.*
Well, if it wasn't, then that *would* make it possible that he picked up the dream thing from Charles. (And it would also seem to imply that Peter and Nathan manifested their abilities at virtually the same time. Aw!)
Because, yeah, to me it makes more sense given the rest of the context that Charles was the dreamer.
If they had a precog, who knows what future they saw before they came up with the bomb plan.
Huh. I hadn't really thought of it that way, before. That's interesting, though. Assuming, of course, that the bomb wasn't *always* going to happen, and they were just reacting to it, which is sort of what Angela and Charles conversation seemed to suggest.
Also, hi, btw.
Hi and welcome! I'm always looking to meet more Heroes fen! :)
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I dunno. He was clearly out of control of it during the car accident (which is the time I was thinking of, given that Nathan flew and Peter had a prophetic dream at almost the same moment), and while he did manage to fly up to catch Peter... he also dropped him, so I'm not sure how much of that was control and how much was instinct. I do think that we see Nathan gaining more control over the season, comparing his rather crash-like landing in Vegas to his light, controlled touch-down in HTSAEM.
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LOL, I've been thinking the same thing.
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