prisoner of the flesh's dilemma

[vito_excalibur]

So jedusor posted about vaccinations and I was thinking about them.

Okay, let's take a look at just one set. Let's look at the MMR vaccine. That's measles, mumps, and rubella.

If you give your kid the MMR vaccine, they have less than a one in a million chance of getting seriously ill or dying (encephalitis). Call it one in a million.

If your kid gets

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[denelian]

so... we covered this in Foresic Anthropology [yeah, it seems sort of weird. and it was part of a lecture on determining cause of death that is specifically from a disease, as opposed to "dying from thirst/starvation" or "dying of a heart attack" etc

[irontongue]

Peter Duesberg did a lot of important work on retroviruses before going off the deep end into HIV denialism and bizarre homophobic accusations about drug use being the cause of AIDS, etc. His arguments centered around legitimate questions about why for so many there was a long, long time period between infection and symptoms. He read this to mean it couldn't possibly be HIV. But at some point in the 90s, the science around HIV had advanced to the point that just what the virus was doing between infection and symptoms became known.

[denelian]

o.O

thank you - i did not know that [i should have known that]
i just get very, very frustrated. because my niece, she got mumps from a playmate. she got mumps 3 weeks before she was supposed to get the vaccination.

i phrased what i said above very badly; i was not trying to say "there are never for enviromental factors" - if nothing else, DDT has shown that enviromental factors can affect a fetus.

but *REALLY* - thank you. i would like to read more about it - do you know of any articles off hand? [i am going google; i am mostly asking for recommendations]

[fanw]

The other trouble with autism diagnosis is that, since it is behavioral, you can't actually diagnose it until the child is developmentally old enough to display the symptoms, typically at about 12-24 months. This is right during or after the vast number of vaccines kids get nowadays (which by the way is more than twice the number we got as kids. No wonder parents are surprised!) You can't diagnose dysfunction in social/emotional response in a newborn who can't even distinguish self from other.

(Sorry Vito! I just had to multi-comment on this one!)

[vito_excalibur]

Are you kidding? I assumed no one was commenting because they were all busily checking my math. :)