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sistermagpie June 4 2006, 22:04:44 UTC
Absolutely I think DD's state is very important in just that way. It's important, I think, that Draco could kill him--that is, people often want to assume that Draco, being an ordinary boy, could never kill Dumbledore the great wizard, and if he had actually tried DD would have just disarmed him etc. But on the contrary I think it's important that Draco manages to find himself in a position where he really could do it. Dumbledore really is defenseless. He needs to make the decision himself not to do it. I don't know where people get the idea that this is cowardice-except that sometimes it seems they ignore Dumbledore's powerlessness and are assuming that Draco fears that if he tries to kill DD DD will rise up and smite him. But really it seems like JKR goes to great pains to come up with exactly the scenario she needs, Draco faced with killing an innocent who is defenseless ( ... )

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static_pixie June 5 2006, 00:15:13 UTC
And it's not even just that he's defenseless because, like I said, it would in no way exonerate Draco from killing someone, he'd just be guilty of killing a defenseless old man instead of a wizard at full strength. It's the fact that he's dying already that matters because that could (if he chose to look at it that way) exonerate Draco almost completely. I think that what Draco was afraid of wasn't Dumbledore's power, you're right, that's ridiculous. But I think some people like to claim that Draco was just too much of a pussy to murder anyone, that's all it was, there was nothing moral about it. But I think that the fact of Dumbledore's dying invalidates that claim somewhat; Draco could kill him and almost not be responsible for it but he still chooses not to. Unlike, you're right, Peter Pettigrew.

The funny thing about Pettigrew, though, is that he still retains a lot of that Gryffindor loyalty. I don't think any other DE would have been willing to make the kind of sacrifices Peter has for Voldemort; I know I can't see Lucius ( ... )

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kaskait June 8 2006, 15:17:53 UTC
We don't really know for sure if Dumbledore was dying. But I think Dumbledore has strong ties to the Black family. Which the books show in his chummy relationship with Phineas.

I'm part of the crowd that is on the fence about Dumbledore being dead. Dumbledore pulled every string he had to keep the Black inheritance together and the family from dying out. There is a set-up in the books for Riddle and almost everyone was involved with the exception of Harry.

That makes sense. Harry in a strange sense is Riddle.

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static_pixie June 9 2006, 00:06:37 UTC
The thing is, though, it's enough that Draco thought he was dying. He looked it, and I think that JKR put that line from that DE in there for a reason. Whether he actually was or not is sort of irrelevant to Draco there because it's all about Draco's perception of the situation, not the situation itself.

I dunno. I think he'd dead, just because of what JKR said about Sirius and how she wasn't bringing him back because it would do a diservice to people reading her books who've had to deal with the death of a loved one. I don't doubt that Dumbledore did create some sort of set-up, though. And yeah...the scene in the bathroom echos the scene in the CoS, ony this time, Harry is standing (albeit, by accident) in Riddle's place. Which is interesting if nothing else.

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woman_ironing June 10 2006, 07:10:04 UTC
From the Snitch. I'm with you on the dead Dumbledore, and I'm not sure how much of a set-up the Tower scene can be because I can't imagine Dumbledore planning for finding himself disarmed. Draco and Dumbledore in the Tower parallels Harry and Sirius in the Shrieking Shack. I hadn't seen the echo of the CoS scene in Sectumsempra - that's what all that water is about! - though I'd wondered if it will turn out to prefigure some scene with Harry and LV in Book 7. There's something tantalisingly alchemical about it.

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