The twisting in the wind by many of the women who've hoist themselves on a petard wrt their appropriation of m/m as their chosen sexual fantasy (instead of, y'know, creating transformative [erotic] works about women) is both ugly and painful to observe.
Does anyone choose their fantasies? I kinda thought they chose us! There must, presumably, be writers who can't create transformative erotic works about women sinmply because they don't feel that way about women?
I'm not sure I really understand the point here (indeed I'm still scratching my head about most of the original discussion) but are you saying women should only write about women? Or that straight women should only write about straight women, gay men about gay etc? It strikes me that novels, or anything with a sizeable cast, would become quite difficult to write at all.
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Does anyone choose their fantasies?
People expressing their sexual fantasies through m/m fiction, which is what my post is about, are making choices, yes. I'm sure you don't rly believe m/m fiction just appears out of nothingness through no human agency.
There must, presumably, be writers who can't create transformative erotic works about women sinmply because they don't feel that way about women?
Yes, presumably there must be.
I'm not sure I really understand the point here
Clearly.
are you saying women should only write about women? Or that straight women should only write about straight women, gay men about gay etc?No, clearly not or you would be able to quote me saying that instead of asking an amateurish rhetorical question as a
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I think you might find parts of the discussion interesting but, at this point, you'd probably have to wade through a lot of link spam dross to find any gold.
The icon is from The Beiderbecke Affair, the first of the Beiderbecke Trilogy by Alan "genius" Plater. Technically I maintain a fan com but it's never been active:
Try the linkspam com over on dreamwidth. There's some interesting commentary in comments but, as is the Way of Meta, those emerging ideas are generally then reposted as top posts.
This post is where the conversation is at now in my circles but it hasn't been linkspammed yet:
I have a couple (or more) of academics on my flist who would probably be happy to enlighten you at great length with multiple definitions of "queer" heterosexuality but, thankfully for both of us, I tend to merely accept people's self-identification as long as it doesn't involve kicking Other people in the metaphorical teeth so you won't receive any enlightenment from me.
discuss a gay man using the phrase "what a waste" as if the sexual aspects of gay men's lives being for other gay men rather than for heterosexual women is in some way a lesser way of being.
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I'm getting an uncomfortable feeling that by "queer" heterosexual, you mean "bisexual," and I hope that is not the case.
No, I mean self-identified "queer" heterosexual women. I'll go and add bisexual women to the list though because I hate freedom, democracy, America them too, obv. ;-)
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The twisting in the wind by many of the women who've hoist themselves on a petard wrt their appropriation of m/m as their chosen sexual fantasy (instead of, y'know, creating transformative [erotic] works about women) is both ugly and painful to observe.
RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!!
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Does anyone choose their fantasies? I kinda thought they chose us! There must, presumably, be writers who can't create transformative erotic works about women sinmply because they don't feel that way about women?
I'm not sure I really understand the point here (indeed I'm still scratching my head about most of the original discussion) but are you saying women should only write about women? Or that straight women should only write about straight women, gay men about gay etc? It strikes me that novels, or anything with a sizeable cast, would become quite difficult to write at all.
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All anonymous comments to my journal are screened and I don't make a habit of unscreening anonymous comments but I'll make an exception for this speshul snowflake of derailing-through-apparent-incomprehension because it's dim enough to be funny. P.S. I also log IP addresses: 86.170.84.197
Does anyone choose their fantasies?
People expressing their sexual fantasies through m/m fiction, which is what my post is about, are making choices, yes. I'm sure you don't rly believe m/m fiction just appears out of nothingness through no human agency.
There must, presumably, be writers who can't create transformative erotic works about women sinmply because they don't feel that way about women?
Yes, presumably there must be.
I'm not sure I really understand the point here
Clearly.
are you saying women should only write about women? Or that straight women should only write about straight women, gay men about gay etc?No, clearly not or you would be able to quote me saying that instead of asking an amateurish rhetorical question as a ( ... )
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The icon is from The Beiderbecke Affair, the first of the Beiderbecke Trilogy by Alan "genius" Plater. Technically I maintain a fan com but it's never been active:
http://community.livejournal.com/beiderbeckefans/profile
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This post is where the conversation is at now in my circles but it hasn't been linkspammed yet:
http://copracat.dreamwidth.org/520260.html
Plater's Beiderbecke never gets old and the music is a treat.
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I'm getting an uncomfortable feeling that by "queer" heterosexual, you mean "bisexual," and I hope that is not the case.
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That's an...odd concept. I'm not sure I've encountered it before.
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