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elisi May 11 2015, 16:35:59 UTC
Spike can see The First, because The First makes itself visible to him. Like it does to Andrew.

However, due to his newly souled status, it uses this to send him crazy - or at least, what seems like crazy to other people, since they can't see his invisible tormentor. (He's certainly not particularly mentally well-balanced, but observe the results The First accomplished with Angel back in Amends.)

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snickfic May 11 2015, 16:40:13 UTC
I mean, being crazy doesn't automatically mean that you can see multiple realities, like Spike does in Same Time, Same Place. Does it? Is that what we're positing in the Buffyverse, that mental imbalance automatically comes with that ability?

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elisi May 11 2015, 16:42:52 UTC
No, I think that might be a vampire thing? Like he can tell that Ben is Glory.

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snickfic May 11 2015, 16:48:09 UTC
Hmm, that explanation hadn't occurred to me. Good thought.

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sweet_lyri May 11 2015, 16:41:34 UTC
Spike seeing Buffy and Willow at the same time in 'Sam Time, Sam Place' had nothing to do with The First - it was Willow's spell. Her spell stopped Buffy, Xander and Dawn from being able to see her, because she wasn't ready to see them, so they cancelled each other out. Spike wasn't part of the spell, so he was able to see both of them, and was able to figure out that something was wrong, probably a spell of Willow's that went crazy.

Not saying that the idea that The First didn't royally screw with Spike, but that scene was down to Willow's inadvertent meddling.

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snickfic May 11 2015, 16:52:16 UTC
Ah. See, this is what happens when I ask these questions after having not watched the ep in a while.

(Also, J2 in Canucks jerseys!! My fandoms are collided!)

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rebcake May 11 2015, 16:43:28 UTC
While I agree that the magical mental illness thing is inconsistent and troubling, I don't think that Spike's mental problems are what's a play in the instance you're talking about. It's just that Willow's inadvertent spell doesn't make her invisible to Spike. Or to Anya. She isn't afraid that they will reject her, is my guess. She's just made herself invisible to Buffy, Dawn, and Xander. Everybody else can see her just fine.

So, Spike might be crazy - as he himself says - but that's not why he can see Willow. Willow just doesn't care enough about him to hide from him.

Dru coming to "rescue" Spike in S7 is a fine idea. I will think on that.

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snickfic May 11 2015, 16:53:05 UTC
See, this is what happens when I ask these questions after having not watched the ep in a while. That makes perfect sense.

Surely someone has written Spike+Dru in early S7, but if I've read it, I've forgotten.

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rebcake May 11 2015, 18:02:24 UTC
Surely someone has written Spike+Dru in early S7

I can't think of any. I like to think I've run across most of the good stuff, but you never know.

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snickfic May 11 2015, 18:51:31 UTC
There's just so much fic for this fandom - impossible to know if we've found it all.

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kikimay May 11 2015, 17:42:29 UTC

All of this gets me to: someone has written Dru visiting Spike in the basement, right? Maybe taking him away, even? They've never had so much in common, and she could take care of him now, in her very screwed up way.

I want this, guys.*cries about everything ( ... )

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snickfic May 20 2015, 16:04:12 UTC
S7 is terrible about what exactly was going on with Spike and which of his issues was due to what external interference. That exchange between Robin and Buffy lampshading it is funny, but does not fix the problem.

IDK how well Dru would actually take care of him according to our sensibilities. She would be most solicitous according to hers, though.

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ever_neutral May 12 2015, 02:07:07 UTC
What everyone else said.

I want this, guys.

Maybe you should give yourself what you want, HM HM HM?

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snickfic May 20 2015, 16:04:31 UTC
SHUSH, YOU.

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