dude, budda, allah are all god in their own religion. we're not saying "one nation, under jesus" so it's not specifically for christians only. i don't have a religion & am not a atheist, but the word god can mean many things, not limited to just religion.
i agree... but for the people who ARE athiest - then they don't believe in God... personally, i don't think having GOD in the pledge should mean shit - its always been there, many people say it without thinking it... it shouldn't be a big deal... but i can see why they wld want it removed - we can say "under the constitution" or something
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whenever i had to say the pledge, "under god" didn't mean shit to me. in fact, i don't think it means shit to most people. you're right -- we just say it on automatic, w/o thinking about it. those who it WOULD give pause to would be those whom the phrase offended. therefore, remove it, for the sake of separation of church & state and for those citizens who would be uncomfortable saying it b/c it discriminates against their beliefs. it's not like the rest of us ever gave a fuck anyway. why protest so furiously, so suddenly over the deletion of a phrase we would not miss in 3 months' time
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i hope i’m not personally insulting your mormon grandparents... but i cannot see a person as logical if they do not question religion at least somewhat, but follow their faith blindly. it's like someone can be completely intelligent and reasonable, but the simple mention of their faith immediately switches off their ability to be either of the above qualities. the earth was made in 6 days?? bullshit. (did you know ultra-orthodox jews view tuesdays as extra holy because in the bible, god said it was good twice, on tuesday?) noah went out and collected 2 of every single fucking species and put them in a big ship?? current taxonomy doesn't even cover 40% of ALL the species that are out there. (& some stupid people are out seeking the ark in the mountains or whatever. haha.) & doesn't the bible say we all come from adam & eve? i'm related to you, steph. via incest, over and over again
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download "my god's dick is bigger than your god's dick" by george carlin. it's simultaneously witty and crude.. very entertaining & conveys a good message, i think
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i recall that conversation from a article i read a few years ago; but the concept god is generally different in christianity & buddism. in christianity, god is divine and holy and powerful & only one. he is the one up there, somewhere, and because of him, heaven & hell exist. [very general knowledge; never been a christian] on the other hand, god in buddism is when a human being reaches enlightment. thus, anyone can become a god, or least has the potential. there were several buddhas, contrast to christians' one god.
god has just become something more general and casual. people say "o my god," you can't just ban that word because it contains the word "god." the word god just adds a sense of sacredness, which the people would like the constition to be. that idiot who sued the court needs a serious reality check.
Re: holy penisjunglismwomanJuly 2 2002, 14:37:45 UTC
oh i agree. reality check, indeed.
god is definitely one of those "loose" words in the english language, but yeah, you can consider a buddha a "god" if the 'creator/almighty/omnipotent/omniscient' glib is eliminated from the public's general definition.
itz just that oftentimes, people misuse a word so often that presumption supercedes any actual meaning of the term. such as, in the shintoist sect of buddhism, the followers "pray" to buddha like others would to a christian god. "buddha, give me children, give me food, etc." this is based on blind faith towards a figure that was unjustly deified. however, in mahayana/ theraveda buddhism, the "gods" or buddhas who have reached nirvana are just held in the highest regard and respected for their superior accomplishments.
Re: holy penisshatterwallJuly 7 2002, 18:10:11 UTC
it disturbs me to see that some of the most devout believers are also the most ignorant ones who believe that their only religious responsibilities are to pray & believe completely, without trying to find out more about what exactly they're committing themselves to.
what you said above -- i think a similar application goes for the bible. people neglect to remember that the bible is basically a collection of stories that were passed down orally before recorded. and even in the printed versions, there are discrepancies between translations and different editions. when you think about it -- the bible is NOT a reliable source and reference point. whenever people say "well, the bible says," on automatic - which seems to be a fuckin awful lot (and the more religious/orthodox one gets, the more you read the bible word-for-word), i just totally dismiss them, cus really, is that the best you can do? "the bible says" and "god says" -- that's the last word? do you not have a brain of your own?
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but the concept god is generally different in christianity & buddism.
in christianity, god is divine and holy and powerful & only one.
he is the one up there, somewhere, and because of him, heaven & hell exist. [very general knowledge; never been a christian]
on the other hand, god in buddism is when a human being reaches enlightment. thus, anyone can become a god, or least has the potential. there were several buddhas, contrast to christians' one god.
god has just become something more general and casual. people say "o my god," you can't just ban that word because it contains the word "god." the word god just adds a sense of sacredness, which the people would like the constition to be. that idiot who sued the court needs a serious reality check.
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god is definitely one of those "loose" words in the english language, but yeah, you can consider a buddha a "god" if the 'creator/almighty/omnipotent/omniscient' glib is eliminated from the public's general definition.
itz just that oftentimes, people misuse a word so often that presumption supercedes any actual meaning of the term. such as, in the shintoist sect of buddhism, the followers "pray" to buddha like others would to a christian god. "buddha, give me children, give me food, etc." this is based on blind faith towards a figure that was unjustly deified. however, in mahayana/ theraveda buddhism, the "gods" or buddhas who have reached nirvana are just held in the highest regard and respected for their superior accomplishments.
it's really interesting to think about.
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what you said above -- i think a similar application goes for the bible. people neglect to remember that the bible is basically a collection of stories that were passed down orally before recorded. and even in the printed versions, there are discrepancies between translations and different editions. when you think about it -- the bible is NOT a reliable source and reference point. whenever people say "well, the bible says," on automatic - which seems to be a fuckin awful lot (and the more religious/orthodox one gets, the more you read the bible word-for-word), i just totally dismiss them, cus really, is that the best you can do? "the bible says" and "god says" -- that's the last word? do you not have a brain of your own?
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