I'm starting to go out of order on these because I'm so far behind anyway but I'm not skipping any, just postponing.
Was show-Jon/Ygritte a faithful representation of book-Jon/Ygritte, for Horatio, who clearly knows me well.
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spoilers only through S3, I don't think I've touched book stuff past there )
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Not that I'm in fandom, but I get this way too about Jon. I think in part because of his anticipation of being maligned for being a bastard while at the same time understadnign that when he gets the chance he needs to take it. It's an interesting characteristic.
People who project modern ideas about illegitimacy onto Westeros chap my ass
Here! Here! I can't wait! (I will but I'm excited.)
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I think in part because of his anticipation of being maligned for being a bastard while at the same time understadnign that when he gets the chance he needs to take it. It's an interesting characteristic.
Yes! Jon's characterization really nails the psychosocial dynamics of invisible difference; just because it's not a type of difference that has much impact in modern Western society doesn't mean that the whole experience is irrelevant and he should just nut up, okay. #touchy
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Most of what I know about Jon/Ygritte I heard through fandom, but it made me go a bit :/ when I heard that he was in life-threatening danger if he upset her (whether she would have done it or not, the danger was there).
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Like, there's no way these same people wouldn't hit the roof if it was a male character with a long running pattern of "teasing" a female sexual partner about "KNOCK KNOCK WHO'S THERE if you don't sleep with me I can have you killed! LOL GOOD ONE RIGHT?!" I'm not even consciously doing these calculations anymore, in differentiating between "parts of fandom that consistently and in good faith oppose abusive behavior" and "parts of fandom that oppose feeling vulnerable to abusive behavior themselves and to hell with everyone else."
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I've spent so long saying that I don't have a problem with viewers prioritizing victimization of women and girls - we are significantly more likely to experience certain things than male-identified people and less likely to be proportionately represented in terms of whose POV is prioritized in a given narrative; a lot of justifications for certain types of subjugation and violence are shaped by and function to uphold patriarchy; I don't think there's anything wrong with female fans feeling closest to female characters; &c - and I would still defend that statement in theory (not least because it's my own instinctive reaction, absent other factors). But in practice, I feel like I see a lot of people working under the OBVIOUSLY INCORRECT assumption that there's no difference between prioritizing one group of people in one's own subjective reaction ( ... )
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YOU'D THINK.
Ha ha, this happens to me a LOT. And yet sometimes I'm aware of fandom grossness (fandom will take the opportunity to be gross about anything, LBR) but it doesn't change my emotional reaction to a character at all. I'm not sure what makes the difference, IDK...
lol, it's a mystery. Part of the pattern for me is when I feel like I'm not seeing a certain angle of their perspective being argued for by anyone? Because then I'm all EVERYONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET!! and I yell my way into their POV and by the time I've cooled off I've ~bonded. Like, I'm sure there are message-board fanboys who only care about Jon's perspective here and see it as very much a traditional ~forbidden romance, but that's not really relevant to my concerns here.
I fast-forwarded through Jon/Ygritte almost entirely both while reading and watching, so it ( ... )
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