quick hits on this week's TVD and Originals

Nov 02, 2013 01:36

There are so many reasons my sister is the greatest, but very high on the list is the way we have this conversation every week:

SISTER/ME: Elijah/Klaus is such a dickbag.
SISTER/ME: I know, right?
SISTER/ME: …….I love him.
SISTER/ME: I know, right?!

originals 1x5 )

the originals, tvd

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horatios November 2 2013, 12:13:05 UTC
There’s something really interesting happening with cycles of projection here. Klaus saves/controls Marcel, who turns around and saves/controls Davina.

YES! THANK YOU! I LOVED IT.

Everyone else was like 'zzzz' and I was like ':OOOOO' (!!)

I don’t like the term sex-positive, but how positive about sexuality The Originals continues to be.

What? Really? How?

"no more excuses" - as if he HAS to excuse himself to her

He does, though?

And I feel like he gets that? He's all tear stained and apologetic? Like. I'm looking forward to Tyler's arc on The Originals about a million times more than I could have ever looked forward to a season of Forwood, lbr, but I do think it *required* a change in Tyler's ~psyche. It required him to go from being devoted to him and then not calling her all summer. That was a definite change from before, Imo. So I get that Caroline is hurt by it and I actually thought it was a good thing that she COULD put her foot down and tell him that they were done. Like. I also thought it was a good change for Tyler ( ... )

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pocochina November 3 2013, 05:47:02 UTC

I don’t like the term sex-positive, but how positive about sexuality The Originals continues to be.

What? Really? How?

I just feel like it's handled in the way mild drug use is on TVD - it's just a part of their lives, not really a huge normative problem with massively overstated risks.

He does, though?

And I feel like he gets that? He's all tear stained and apologetic?

How people think they deserve to be treated is not the same as how they actually deserve to be treated, though. Tyler is used to the expectation that he constantly apologize for himself.

I'm also not really seeing condemnation of Caroline left, right, and center, tbh? Granted my f-list/dash is a pretty narrow segment of fandom, but from where I sit the people raising a flag about her behavior here are still pretty sympathetic to her and also pretty much consist of, like, me.

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horatios November 9 2013, 20:16:20 UTC
I just feel like it's handled in the way mild drug use is on TVD - it's just a part of their lives, not really a huge normative problem with massively overstated risks.

Oh. This never occurred to me, though obviously I'm glad it's the case. You'd think that if anything, the message would be the opposite, given the fix Hayley's in.

How people think they deserve to be treated is not the same as how they actually deserve to be treated, though.

I agree with this, obviously. I was only bringing it up to see that Tyler ~agrees with me, so to speak.

I'm also not really seeing condemnation of Caroline left, right, and center, tbh?There was a looooot of Caroline condemnation on the #the vampire diaries tag on Tumblr as the episode was airing. I was on it on my phone at like 2am, my time, because whenever I can't sleep I try and piece together the episode, lulz. I'm not sure how comprehensive a picture of fandom that provides, but there was definitely criticism. Although, in the interests of balance there also seemed to be a (smaller) ( ... )

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lynnenne November 2 2013, 16:36:09 UTC
There’s something really interesting happening with cycles of projection here. Klaus saves/controls Marcel, who turns around and saves/controls Davina.

I LOVE THIS THE MOSTEST. Hall-of-mirrors is one of my biggest narrative kinks. That moment when Klaus says, "I do - Marcellus" is just UNF. JoMo completely sold me on that moment of ~recognition. (Though he can sell me on just about anything, lbr.)

SO excited to see the witch politics be complicated and terrifying! In any other narrative, Marcel would be the good guy - and maybe he is the best guy here, but that doesn’t make him good. And I just love how deliberately amoral it makes the whole power struggle. If a war happens, it happens because of ego.

This is also the best.

I continue to be surprised at how….I don’t like the term sex-positive, but how positive about sexuality The Originals continues to be.

Isn't it refreshing? It's not even discussed, it's just there and the characters are enjoying it. Though I am prepared for the slut-shaming to return the first time Rebekah ( ... )

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pocochina November 2 2013, 17:36:48 UTC

I LOVE THIS THE MOSTEST. Hall-of-mirrors is one of my biggest narrative kinks. That moment when Klaus says, "I do - Marcellus" is just UNF. JoMo completely sold me on that moment of ~recognition. (Though he can sell me on just about anything, lbr.)

Yes! And this is a lot to throw down with in just the first few episodes. I'm really going to enjoy watching this unfold.

I really have zero issues with Caroline's demands. She had expectations that she and Tyler were in a relationship, and a relationship requires that Tyler actually be present, both physically and emotionally.I'm not saying that? I wouldn't have a problem with her saying "Tyler, I can't do this anymore." But that's not the same as the idea that a person in a relationship has the right to make "demands," but my point is more along the lines of, the smaller things like her word choice give away a lot about her thought processes at the moment ( ... )

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lynnenne November 2 2013, 18:06:30 UTC
Oh, yeah, I totally agree that she was way out of bounds to be planning Tyler's life for him. Arranging his classes and deciding where/how he should live was completely over the line. But her plea to "love me more than you hate him" - I actually found that rather heart-breaking. Yes, on one level, she is clearly trying to make Tyler feel guilty, but I read it primarily as yet another expression of Caroline's insecurities that she is never enough to make anyone stay (her father, Matt, Tyler). The vulnerability in her voice when she says it is pretty heartbreaking, imo.

I also think her point about Tyler behaving just as Klaus would is pretty on the mark.

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myfriendamy November 2 2013, 17:48:03 UTC
Nice to know that fandom hasn't completely turned me off Katherine

ha, because of how much they love her?

Are you looking forward to Tyler being on The Originals?

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myfriendamy November 3 2013, 04:37:26 UTC
Why would fandom turn you off a character?

haha well I can understand this because it sort of happens with me and Daryl on The Walking Dead. I like him well enough but fandom looooooves him. And seeing all the love and "Daryl dies, we riot" stuff annoys me. So I try to avoid it so I can still like his character, but even like...when new ppl watch the show and I ask them who their favorite is and they almost always say Daryl, I just...lol, I just don't get it. Somehow I missed the boat on this one.

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pocochina November 3 2013, 00:12:07 UTC
ha, because of how much they love her?

More because of the amount of rape denialism one encounters when one ventures the suggestion that she didn't, strictly speaking, have to do a lot of the shit she did for "survival." Stumbling into one too many "feminist" assertions that Stefan "shamed" her when he found out about ~her vampirism~ because of his character flaws has soured me considerably, ngl.

Are you looking forward to Tyler being on The Originals?

YES VERY MUCH SO.

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pocochina November 3 2013, 05:35:44 UTC
I mean, Tyler is my POV character when he's around and so I do invest more heavily in his POV than Caroline's. I'm not unsympathetic to her, but I instinctively feel Tyler a lot more. But also:

Tyler has every right to do what he needs to feel more secure--I've never felt more sympathetic towards him--but that's not how he posed the issue to Caroline (in part, I think, because he's having trouble articulating it even to himself.)yeah, I'd agree with that, and it's also informing how I talk about this? Because the conversation tends to be weighted toward the person who can blurt out what they mean and wear their heart on their sleeve and just be out there in a way Tyler is, for multiple reasons, not inclined to do ( ... )

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anonymous November 4 2013, 12:09:22 UTC
"In any other narrative, Marcel would be the good guy "

I could not disagree with this more. Marcel not being the good guy is typical of our media. You seem to be excluding race from your analysis which would explain your love for the witches. Despite being set in New Orleans, the show managed to only give voice to the white witches. Yet again, the black witches are "terrifying" and "powerful" but mostly silent

I completely agree with your assessment of the Forwood scene. However, I do not agree with that gif. Caroline was not made this way by Klaus. She was always like this but now she is learning to become even more effectively so. Near the end of season 2, she guilt tripped Tyler for even though she was the one who slammed a door in his face. She was justified in her action but it was telling that she still expected him to stick around waiting for her absolution.

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pocochina November 4 2013, 21:43:17 UTC
Anon, I'd agree that men of color are egregiously underrepresented as characters who choose to use their smarts and strength to champion vulnerable kids, but on the too-rare occasions those characters occur...well, I've never seen anyone classify Omar Little as a villain. There aren't heroes in this 'verse, but Marcel is very much not the bad guy, either. (I am getting very invested in Marcel ( ... )

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