so how 'bout those SPN ComicCon spoilers?

[pocochina]

SPOILERS, obviously. tbh very little we couldn't have guessed from what we've seen, this is mostly about S8, but for the purists out there, don't click.

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[percysowner]

We are so on the same page here. Admittedly, I've been hearing maybe Dean gave Sam angel blood. But since I have no idea where Dean would get angel blood, Cas is now human and God (or possibly Metatron) knows where; and even though the angels were falling, it's not like Dean has an angel finding artifact, so where would he find an angel. But they have a convenient imprisoned demon at hand and one who MIGHT have had a come to JesusSam moment and be willing to donate a little blood now and then. I do like the idea that Dean isn't keeping Crowley in the dungeon as a way to find demons to heal, but as his own private demon blood stash

[pocochina]

I've been hearing maybe Dean gave Sam angel blood. But since I have no idea where Dean would get angel blood

Angel blood would be EVEN MORE EXCITING!? That's something I've been wondering about since watching the show the first time, is what if any effect angel blood would have on Sam. But it would certainly be tougher to procure.

It doesn't even much matter what Crowley would or wouldn't volunteer to do, since they have him locked up. tbh I think he could get it without Crowley even noticing, let alone consenting; I don't think anyone would question him beating or cutting Crowley enough to draw blood. (And like. HOW GREAT would that be? That as Sam puts more and more of himself psychologically into his investment in SAVING Crowley - fully against Crowley's will, it must be said - he might be getting more and more of Crowley in him. THAT'S JUST SO COOL GIVE IT TO MEEEE.)

It would be so great for the show to acknowledge that Sam's powers and using demon blood have an upside. Other than its addictive nature, what Sam got from using

[pocochina]

OH ALSO:

Jared is already saying how much lying to Sam is tear DEAN up.

lol! Padalecki's quite the wily little diplomat. HOWEVER. That's the exact wording Ackles used, and that I think I heard Carver use as well? Which makes me think it's the PTBs consciously or unconsciously pushing this framing that DEAN is the one violating their agreement; ie, it's distinctly not about whatever Sam "is" or "needs," but about "what Dean is CHOOSING to do which is NOT OKAY." I mean, there's certainly a subset of fandom that are varsity point-dodgers, but whether we're right or wrong in this particular prediction, I do think this gives reason to hope the underlying concerns will be brought into focus.

To which I say boo frickin hoo!

MTE.

[pocochina]

I WANT IT NOW, GIVE IT TO MEEE.

[nekosammy]

I do see echoes of Season 7 here, in that Dean keeps a secret from Sam, killing Amy, and it is all about how much this hurts DEAN and NOT Sam, the actual injured party on all levels. Sam was allowed to be angry with Dean for all of one episode, and that was it. Even Ellen came back from the grave to piss all over Sam's trauma and support poor, fragile Dean, who just HAD to tell Sam why he did it and how bad lying to Sam made him feel (thus, Dean's Lying is used to cover up Dean's Real Crime, killing Amy behind Sam's back). Because of tactics like this, big audience support in fandom almost always lands on Dean's Side, because Sam is barely given one on the show in actual scenes. I think it's highly likely that Dean will get so much positive framing and emo scenes out of all of his dishonesties and manipulations of Sam, that once again, he will not only get away with it, but be rewarded for it as well

[percysowner]

I'm like 90% sure that the story will be how hard it is for Dean to lie to Sam as opposed to how much of a betrayal of Sam it is to be lied to again. I generally liked season two, except for the intense focus on how hard it was for Dean to be told he had to kill Sam as opposed to how Sam felt about finding out his own father put a hit out on him. I mean really? Not one scene of how could Dad hate me so much that he wanted me dead? Then, in The Song Remains the Same, Sam actually makes up with John and tries to make him feel better about the man John is going to turn into. I'm not sure if this is because the Stockholm Syndrome has finally kicked in for good, or if Sam is really THAT forgiving, because if my Dad, who I had a strained relationship with, told someone that I would become so evil that I had to die, I would NEVER get over it or forgive him. It would certainly cement the idea that leaving for college was a good one, because at least Sam wasn't murdered in his sleep by John.

[pocochina]

Yeah, the grossness of S2 (and to a lesser extent S5) is the reason I can't quite bring myself to say the fans are entirely to blame for the willful romanticization of this relationship; they were clearly encouraged.

But from my author-is-dead perspective, I can actually get a lot out of S2 as a very close use of unreliable narrator? Dean is so self-absorbed in his grief, and expending so much psychological effort in his need to preserve his self-image as The Selfless Brother, that he literally never spares a thought (ie there is no scene emphasizing) how Sam, as an individual human being who exists separately from his role as the object (AHEM) of Dean's affections, feels about this huge thing, except once in a while for him to blurt out how he thinks he is bad and will deserve to die, which Dean takes as confirmation that Sam's life or death is All About Dean because clearly Sam is a defective thing that couldn't make this decision for himself. Even the wake-up call of Sam taking off for a few days (in narrative terms, Sam

[percysowner]

I actually don't think John would've killed him, though. To be brutally dispassionate, John had the shot at Sam. He stalked the kid for the years he was figuring out whatever he thought Azazel's plan was, and they were together for a solid couple of days at the end there. He would've done what Dean has done since - more and more stifling and controlling and destabilizing until Sam eventually ended it himself by taking progressively more suicidally insane risks.I actually don't think John would have either, but I think Sam might think he could have. It plays into the whole Dean loves me better than anyone else trope because he got to see Dean struggle, where as John ordered the hit and died. It had to leave Sam wondering